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Old 2nd August 2012, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Albion View Post
Where did you come up with that number?? From what I've read, there are only a handful.

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I got it from this article.
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Old 2nd August 2012, 08:04 PM
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Thanks. That helps solve this problem or whatever we'd call it.

The article is from a Catholic publication. The Catholic press really played up this idea up when it first broke. At the time, no one could tell how much of an impact it would have. Note the spring, 2010 date. Very preliminary to say the least. Yet the beginning of the article speaks of the Anglican Church in America already joined the RCC as a body. It didn't happen.

The round figure of 100 was optimistically used by the Anglican archbishop of the Anglican Church in America when he thought he could take the whole of that church into the Roman Catholic Church, plus a guess that couple dozen other parishes from TEC or some other Continuing Anglican church would go along, too.

And, in a way, I don't fault him for that because for at least three years he had been talking about it as a done deal. The people of the church apparently didn't protest that but did intend to wait to see what the new proposal would actually turn out to be. It turned out to be far less than what they'd been told it would be, and most of these "High Church" Anglicans responded by making it clear, along with their bishops, that although they consider themselves to be catholic, they still intended to remain Anglican.

As it turned out, only one diocesan bishop decided to go along with the proposal, with a few parishes, but I believe all or most of them still are waiting to see if Rome will accept them.

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Old 2nd August 2012, 08:13 PM
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Is there a strong Anglo-Catholic presence in the EMC?
Yes, but not moreso than most of the other Continuing Anglican church bodies.

surprised me because I thought that it was a very Reformed/Evangelical group.
No, it's never been that.
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Old 2nd August 2012, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Albion View Post
Thanks. That helps solve this problem or whatever we'd call it.

The article is from a Catholic publication. The Catholic press really played up this idea up when it first broke. At the time, no one could tell how much of an impact it would have. Note the spring, 2010 date. Very preliminary to say the least. Yet the beginning of the article speaks of the Anglican Church in America already joined the RCC as a body. It didn't happen.

The round figure of 100 was optimistically used by the Anglican archbishop of the Anglican Church in America when he thought he could take the whole of that church into the Roman Catholic Church, plus a guess that couple dozen other parishes from TEC or some other Continuing Anglican church would go along, too.

And, in a way, I don't fault him for that because for at least three years he had been talking about it as a done deal. The people of the church apparently didn't protest that but did intend to wait to see what the new proposal would actually turn out to be. It turned out to be far less than what they'd been told it would be, and most of these "High Church" Anglicans responded by making it clear, along with their bishops, that although they consider themselves to be catholic, they still intended to remain Anglican.

As it turned out, only one diocesan bishop decided to go along with the proposal, with a few parishes, but I believe all or most of them still are waiting to see if Rome will accept them.

Oh Ok cool. Well thanks for clearing that up.
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This appears to be the Anglican ordinariate and its growth so far in the USA as its still brand new.

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Originally Posted by Athanasias View Post
This appears to be the Anglican ordinariate and its growth so far in the USA as its still brand new.

The Personal Ordinariate in the United States
Very good! We can certainly consider that page to be authoritative, and I count there 13 parishes of former Anglicans in the United States. Seven, I believe, were Anglican Use parishes that predate the Ordinariate. Of the total, I don't see any that I recognize as formerly Continuing Anglican parishes or groups, although a couple of them could be so but with changed names.

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Thanks. That helps solve this problem or whatever we'd call it.

The article is from a Catholic publication. The Catholic press really played up this idea up when it first broke. At the time, no one could tell how much of an impact it would have. Note the spring, 2010 date. Very preliminary to say the least. Yet the beginning of the article speaks of the Anglican Church in America already joined the RCC as a body. It didn't happen.

The round figure of 100 was optimistically used by the Anglican archbishop of the Anglican Church in America when he thought he could take the whole of that church into the Roman Catholic Church, plus a guess that couple dozen other parishes from TEC or some other Continuing Anglican church would go along, too.

And, in a way, I don't fault him for that because for at least three years he had been talking about it as a done deal. The people of the church apparently didn't protest that but did intend to wait to see what the new proposal would actually turn out to be. It turned out to be far less than what they'd been told it would be, and most of these "High Church" Anglicans responded by making it clear, along with their bishops, that although they consider themselves to be catholic, they still intended to remain Anglican.

As it turned out, only one diocesan bishop decided to go along with the proposal, with a few parishes, but I believe all or most of them still are waiting to see if Rome will accept them.
What do you think it was they were expecting? The only thing I could see that was possibly disappointing was not allowing married priests permanently. The rest is about what I'd have expected.
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What do you think it was they were expecting? The only thing I could see that was possibly disappointing was not allowing married priests permanently. The rest is about what I'd have expected.
Some people were cautious, remembering the disappointing way that the Anglican Use parishes worked out, and knowing that Rome was not about to view this as a coming together of equals. But what the membership was told in church publications was that it was a done deal and would be something close to Uniate status. I read one article saying that all that would be required was to affirm the Pope and the Catechism, and nothing else would change for them.
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I visited the UK ordinariate web page but could not easily tell how many parishes or groups there were in the UK.

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Bishop Nazr-Ali is a spiritual advisor to our diocese. He was one of those considered for ABC (second in the voting as I recall). I spoke to him about this issue when he spoke at our parish a couple of years ago.

Bishop Nazr-Ali was considering the Ordinairiate. In the end, he indicated that they were many differences from what he was considering. The hope of a many was that we would be treated like the Eastern rites. A lack of a permanent married priesthood was only one change, but a critical one. I don't know the details of the others. Even the Ordinairiate itself is not a permanent institution.

To put in another way, if there was an Anglican Catholic Rite, the Ordinairiate would likely be larger than ACNA. I suspect that this would have even been so if the national bishops of the Ordinairiate temporarily reported to a Latin rite bishop or archbishop, with the idea of the Ordinairiate eventually having its own Archbishop.

Personally, I believe that the RCC missed a great opportunity.

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Some people were cautious, remembering the disappointing way that the Anglican Use parishes worked out, and knowing that Rome was not about to view this as a coming together of equals. But what the membership was told in church publications was that it was a done deal and would be something close to Uniate status. I read one article saying that all that would be required was to affirm the Pope and the Catechism, and nothing else would change for them.
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