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20th February 2012, 12:01 PM
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Reps: 58,034,518,001,591,744 (power: 58,034,518,001,607) | | Originally Posted by MachZer0  It's not reprogramming, it's reparation. Sorry if you missed the point. 
Yeah, insisting someone needs to go to therapy because they're gay is wrong. On a level that disrespects people for who they are. And yet it forces them to provide a product that violates their religious beliefs.
No, taking contraceptives is against their religion. Handing a woman a prescription for her ovarian cysts is not a violation of their freedom of religion. Maybe my liberal friends are missing this point. Using contraceptives violates the religious beliefs of the Catholic Church.
And the doctors aren't using the contraceptives. If someone asks you for a loaf of bread and you give it to them, are you using the loaf of bread? Providing contraceptives to others also violates that belief.
If their beliefs violate the law, then they don't have a right to enforce this belief upon others. Contracting with an insurance company that provides contraceptives to the employees of Catholic organizations also violates the religious beliefs of those running the organizations.
Doesn't matter; if the government uses tax dollars on something I feel is against my religion, I don't get to suddenly stop paying taxes because what the government is using those tax dollars for is forbidden by my religion. What is the Catholic Church's stand on ovarian cyst treatments?
That contraceptives can't be used to treat it.
Heres the thing where you're wrong; the catholic church isn't the one providing the birth control; its the tax payer thats providing it. Just because a catholic doctor is an intermediary between this tax-payer to tax-payer relationship doesn't mean HE is the one providing it.
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20th February 2012, 01:47 PM
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Reps: 21,142,423,111,673,436 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by PreachersWife2004 Have the states ever said that an insurance company not only had to provide a service but also pay for it?
I'm sure at least once. The states aren't perfect. |
20th February 2012, 01:49 PM
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Reps: 21,142,423,111,673,436 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by MachZer0 Yes, but hope and change looms on the horizon, come November
If all it takes to give you "hope" and change things around here is to replace Obama, then sure.
But if it actually matters to you WHO gets elected...it isn't so much of a guarantee, since out of the five possibilities, there's no difference between three of them and one of them would be a WORSE tyrant than Obama. |
20th February 2012, 04:16 PM
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If all it takes to give you "hope" and change things around here is to replace Obama, then sure.
But if it actually matters to you WHO gets elected...it isn't so much of a guarantee, since out of the five possibilities, there's no difference between three of them and one of them would be a WORSE tyrant than Obama.
Any of the current opponents to Obama would be a dramatic improvement. They would affect change and gives us hope. Something we were promised before, but turned out to be a lie |
20th February 2012, 04:30 PM
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Reps: 21,142,423,111,673,436 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by MachZer0 Any of the current opponents to Obama would be a dramatic improvement. They would affect change and gives us hope. Something we were promised before, but turned out to be a lie
Yeah but they wouldn't, is the thing  Romney is an Obama/Bush clone. Gingrich is just as progressive as Pelosi or Reid. Santorum would, literally, turn America into a dictatorship that would make even figures like Qaddafi or Stalin blush.
So sure, Santorum, at least, would effect change...but it would be change that would make every last one of us beg to have Obama back. |
20th February 2012, 04:47 PM
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Yeah but they wouldn't, is the thing Romney is an Obama/Bush clone. Gingrich is just as progressive as Pelosi or Reid. Santorum would, literally, turn America into a dictatorship that would make even figures like Qaddafi or Stalin blush.
So sure, Santorum, at least, would effect change...but it would be change that would make every last one of us beg to have Obama back.
Interesting perspective considering that everyone of them has promised to repeal Obamacare |
20th February 2012, 04:59 PM
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Reps: 21,142,423,111,673,436 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by MachZer0 Interesting perspective considering that everyone of them has promised to repeal Obamacare
Well, if you're a one-issue voter, then sure, that constitutes real "change".
Except, of course, for the fact that Romneycare is identical to Obamacare and Gingrich promoted both of them. So can we REALLY trust two guys to repeal Obamacare when one of them can be partially blamed for the existence of Obamacare in the first place, and the other supported it? |
20th February 2012, 05:21 PM
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Well, if you're a one-issue voter, then sure, that constitutes real "change".
Except, of course, for the fact that Romneycare is identical to Obamacare and Gingrich promoted both of them. So can we REALLY trust two guys to repeal Obamacare when one of them can be partially blamed for the existence of Obamacare in the first place, and the other supported it?
Not sure where you came up with the one issue voter idea but I would trust a can of soup to repeal Obamacare if that's what it came down to |
20th February 2012, 05:43 PM
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Reps: 21,142,423,111,673,436 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by MachZer0 Not sure where you came up with the one issue voter idea but I would trust a can of soup to repeal Obamacare if that's what it came down to
That's exactly the problem, though. Obama could put on a GOP suit and mask and promise to repeal Obamacare and he'd be in your good book. | | |
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