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3rd February 2012, 12:57 PM
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If Jesus nailed the OT to the cross with his death and came to bring a new covenant how come some Christians point to the OT to defend certain ideas? Aren't those ideas null and void since in Jeremiah 31 the prophecy was that the Chosen People did not obey the law and therefore a new covenant was made? |
3rd February 2012, 01:18 PM
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3rd February 2012, 01:50 PM
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3rd February 2012, 01:55 PM
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Reps: 724,239,123,140,237,952 (power: 724,239,123,140,244) | | Originally Posted by LGBTChristian4Life  Who is talking about Genesis or Malachi? I was speaking figuratively that Jesus came to fulfill the law and gave us a new covenant in Jeremiah 31 so if the old law is no longer applicable why are some verses pointed to?
You said "OT" which last time I checked means 'Old Testament'.
What do you understand the word fulfill to mean? do away with?
So He came to fulfill and do away with the Law and the Prophets--as in they are no longer applicable?
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3rd February 2012, 02:06 PM
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31 “The days are coming,” declares the LORD,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[ d] them,[ e]”
declares the LORD. |
3rd February 2012, 02:10 PM
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31 “The days are coming,” declares the LORD,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[ d] them,[ e]”
declares the LORD.
Where in that text do you see "the Old Testament as a whole"?
Again what do you mean when you say Jesus came to fulfill the Law? Did He do away with the Law and the Prophets?
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3rd February 2012, 02:21 PM
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3rd February 2012, 02:27 PM
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Let me try to understand your OP.
You do not believe that the "OT" was done away with correct?
You are merely stating the argument that it would be hypocritical to say that the "OT" is done away with and still point out things in the "OT" correct?
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3rd February 2012, 02:37 PM
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3rd February 2012, 04:59 PM
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