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Old 1st February 2012, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rebekka View Post
No good quality art that gives you a kick in the stomach and turns your world upside down, no. All we would do is praise God and obey him, right? No place for artistic weirdness.
LOL!

Given God is the creator of all things good... things we cannot comprehend... I have no worries about challenging & interesting art.

I work in the field & the weird, kick you in the stomach art is mass produced. Boring.

Are you one of those people that think we'll sit on fluffy clouds playing the harp or something?
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Old 1st February 2012, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rebekka View Post
Don't write moralities. I don't turn to fiction to teach me a lesson about good and evil; if it does, it is by accident. Good literature can be immoral, amoral or sometimes moral, if done subtly and in good taste (for example, the Narnia books are over-the-top christian - I like them, but there are better-written books). What interests me is good literature, not good morals. Talent is a gift from God. Or from the devil. In a perfect world, I don't think there would be art. (Think about it.) How boring would that be?

Advice from a heretic with heathen tendencies, by the way.
I am the same way. My stories are never moral tales. Full of broken characters struggling to make sense of their broken lives. There is always a bit of a light at the end of the tunnel, but it is never something as obvious as God. Maybe other saving graces - love, mainly.
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Originally Posted by Gwendolyn View Post
I am the same way. My stories are never moral tales. Full of broken characters struggling to make sense of their broken lives. There is always a bit of a light at the end of the tunnel, but it is never something as obvious as God. Maybe other saving graces - love, mainly.
God is love. The perfect kind anyway.
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Old 1st February 2012, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Michie View Post
LOL!

Given God is the creator of all things good... things we cannot comprehend... I have no worries about challenging & interesting art.

I work in the field & the weird, kick you in the stomach art is mass produced. Boring.

Are you one of those people that think we'll sit on fluffy clouds playing the harp or something?
Mass produced art cannot kick you in the stomach.

God is artistic, we can't compete. In a perfect world, we wouldn't criticise God. We would only make boring affirmative "art". Also, in a perfect world there wouldn't be ugliness. We need imperfection and ugliness to appreciate beauty.

Well, the harp idea doesn't sound appealing.
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Old 1st February 2012, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Rebekka View Post
Mass produced art cannot kick you in the stomach.

God is artistic, we can't compete. In a perfect world, we wouldn't criticise God. We would only make boring affirmative "art". Also, in a perfect world there wouldn't be ugliness. We need imperfection and ugliness to appreciate beauty.

Well, the harp idea doesn't sound appealing.
What I mean by mass produced is the majority of them out there creating things our of ego instead of creativity & actual talent. They are trying to produce what they consider edgy or offensive for all the wrong reasons.

Why would you critcize God in a perfect world?

It's not like brainwashing. We just can't comprehend it.

You can't compare it to what we are in now.

Thats like saying we need evil to determine what is good.

I don't see how an imperfect world could be any more interesting than a perfect one where everything would be limitless.
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I write fiction and I'm able to slip in Catholicism, even if it's only a slight part of the story. I may have a wild tale to tell, but I usually try to show that God is the only way out of that situation. The trick to having it come off as "real" as opposed to having it seem staged or trite is to have the characters as realistic as possible. If someone's a criminal, then they may stay that way till the end (unrepentant), but others in the story may grow closer to God as a result of the unrepentant person's actions.
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Originally Posted by Gwendolyn View Post
I am the same way. My stories are never moral tales. Full of broken characters struggling to make sense of their broken lives. There is always a bit of a light at the end of the tunnel, but it is never something as obvious as God. Maybe other saving graces - love, mainly.
...and, judging by the movies that the Vatican has on it's "best" list, that is enough. There can be swearing, violence, truly evil people, and heroes who are not affiliated with the Church.

We have lots of miraculous, fantastic tales of Saints. You won't be able to write fiction better than the story of 18' tall St Christopher, so why try? Do your own thing. Make realistic characters, and maybe try to stick a moral in where people aren't expecting it.
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You might be interested to read this Gwen.


Can an agnostic be divinely inspired? "Babette's Feast" is a Eucharistic allegory from an unlikely author...
You probably know at least a little about Danish baroness and plantation owner Karen von Blixen-Finecke. She was the heroine (Meryl Streep) who had a passionate but ultimately doomed love affair with a free-spirited big-game hunter (Robert Redford) in the 1985 romantic drama Out of Africa. She was an author who wrote under the pen name “Isak Denisen.
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I'm just going to say this, if you're thinking about implementing feelings, bring this metrosexual, homosexual, any sexual stuff, bring other sorts of debauchery that has occurred with the werewolf and vampire genre in the last 20 years, I hope you, the writers/directors of Underworld, The Southern Vampire Mysteries, True Blood, Twilight, etc., be placed on a ship out in the Pacific and be bombarded with nukes from every country that has them.

If that's not what you are considering, then God bless!
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I tend to dislike any book or author that beats me over the head with its message.

As a writer of fiction you are telling a story, and the reader is interacting with the story, discerning his own messages and themes based on his life experiences.

Subtle messages are OK--heavy messages turn fiction into preaching.

From what I have seen on OBOB, I believe you are a person with solid values, and I think that any story you told, even as it was interpreted in many ways by many readers, would subtly convey many positive messages.
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