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This is a sort-of "fun" thread. Or what passed for fun on a creationist vs. evolution forum.
Whose skulls are these? Are they apes, modern humans or transitionals? How can you tell?
I would like to see a couple of creationists answer this, but I should point out I've deliberately thrown in a few curved balls. And don't look them up, that's cheating.
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Specimen A:
Specimen B:
Specimen C:
Specimen D: Specimen E:
Specimen F:
Specimen G:
[EDIT] Some of the bones are genuine fossils, other are high-quality replicas - and as far as I know none of them are suffering from any kind of deformity or disorder.
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Last edited by Notedstrangeperson; 20th January 2012 at 04:06 PM.
Reason: Adding note
I'm a total layman when it comes to this stuff, so I'm going to throw out some guesses, which may be hilariously inaccurate to anyone here who actually knows this stuff. I've never even done an anthropology class in college, so maybe it will be entertaining to some of you.
A: Looks like an infant. Possibly human (homo sapiens), but I'm also guessing that human infant skulls and primate infant skulls share a lot of visible similarities considering how similar all animals appear to each other int he earliest stages of fetal development. I'm going to go with human baby, though.
B: Looks homo sapiens to me also, but the amount of missing fragments suggests to me that it's probably older. Either this is a really old human skull or at least a recent ancestor. On second thought, it's got some serious brow action going on there -- it could be neanderthal?
C: I'm going to guess come more modern primate, as opposed to a human ancestor. Maybe a chimp or monkey of some kind? There's no brow at all and bigger eye sockets. Only thing that's keeping me from being sure it's a monkey is the lack or prominent canine teeth. Don't monkeys generally tend to have more fang-y canines?
D: Either a human ancestor or a human with a slight deformity. There's some kind of odd bone textures going on around the nasal cavity and upper lip area which, to me, suggests a disorder or something. Maybe it's just erosion?
E: This screams modern primate to me. Chimpanzee or Orangutan or something along those lines. I think it's the muzzle.
F: For some reason when i saw this, the words homo habilis came to mind. maybe I see this shape associated with that species often? This looks like it could possibly be be older than that.
G: Looks like it might be a human with a form of gigantism or acromegaly (sp?).
These are just guesses I'm pulling out of the air here. I'm sure with a background in anthropology, I'd know more. I'd be able to look in the brain cavity and know more by looking at ear and eye canals, and the shape of the oral pallet and all that.
Please post the answers soon (or at least send me a PM). I want to see how close I was!
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The bottom one is mine. I took it out to brush my teeth and... well.. the phone rang...
Anyway, can I have it back?
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Reason: OK
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If we seriously think about it, it probably makes more sense to assume that this is a naturally evil world that has somehow been mysteriously 'contaminated' by goodness, rather than the other way around.
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Well the bone clones logo is fairly clear, and they're pretty accurate replicas. But I'll add a note in the OP.
And thanks for removing the spoilers.
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If we seriously think about it, it probably makes more sense to assume that this is a naturally evil world that has somehow been mysteriously 'contaminated' by goodness, rather than the other way around.
M. Scott Peck
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I am sure I missed most, as I haven't looked at primate anatomy in a long time.
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F = Mike Tyson [being knocked down for the 1st time]
G = the guy who knocked him down
Actually made me laugh a little bit.
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If we seriously think about it, it probably makes more sense to assume that this is a naturally evil world that has somehow been mysteriously 'contaminated' by goodness, rather than the other way around.
M. Scott Peck
Thanks to everyone for the good reputation points.
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