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China has the mark of the beast on its hand.

The power of the USA and its way of life....China, who has publicly said that it does not support the santions on Iran, is bowing to the pressure and power from the US to work with the USA in transferring its oil business to the Arab countries., thus supporting the santions on Iran.

China has the mark of the beast on its hand.

Recently, US Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was in Beijing meeting Chinese leaders to seek support for sanctions on Iran's oil industry.

Mr. Geithner met counterpart Vice Premier Wang Qishan on Tuesday (Jan 10, 2012) night and is meeting Premier Wen Jiabao, Vice President Xi Jinping and Vice Premier Li Keqiang today (Jan. 11,2012).
Both countries pledged to work together to boost global economic recovery.

But, watchers say, it remains unlikely that China will support sanctions.
(...why then did Mr. Wen go to the middle east to meet the heads of oil producing countries?)

China buys almost a third of Iran's oil exports and has rejected US unilateral actions in the past.

The meeting with Mr Xi, who is in line to become China's next leader, started on a friendly note.
"I believe your visit will go a long way to promote the stability and further growth of our economic relationship," he said to Mr. Geithner at the Great Hall of the People in central Beijing.

Mr. Geithner's visit comes ahead of Mr. Wen's scheduled visit to the oil and gas producing countries of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates this weekend - a sign that China may be seeking other options for its energy supply.

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao visits (Jan 14, 2012) Arab oil-producing nations amid fears of major sanctions-related disruption to Iranian oil exports.
(...a good excuse to save face for the Chinese.)

Mr Wen visited Saudi Arabia - China's biggest source of imported oil - on Saturday.
He told Saudi Prince Nayef both countries are "in important stages of development and there are broad prospects for enhancing cooperation," China's state-run news agency Xinhua reports.
"Both sides must strive together to expand trade and co-operation, upstream and downstream, in crude oil and natural gas," Mr Wen added.

During his visit, state-run Saudi oil giant Aramco and China's Sinopec finalised an initial agreement to build an oil refinery in the Red Sea city of Yanbu to deal with 400,000 barrels per day.

In Rev 11:15, it is written that those (nations) that would not do hommage to the image of the beast (that would not willingly receive its mark on their hand or on their forehead), that they (their rulership-way of life-fortress)would be (αποκταωθωσιν) cut-off / abolished / killed.


Iran is being cut-off...and its way of rulership will be abolished.
However, China has willignly received the mark of the beast on its hand.
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Interesting synopsis, John, but "mark of the beast"? I'm not sure how you reach that conclusion, particularly since the mark won't be given until the middle of the Tribulation.
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The US is giving China the oil in the Middle East and they're asking China to keep an eye on Iran. The US is doing this because oil is going to flow cheaply to the US from Canada and the Dakotas.

I'm sure it has to do with the mark of the beast on China's hand. I'm glad you brought that to my attention John. Otherwise it might have slipped by me.
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Originally Posted by WinBySurrender View Post
Interesting synopsis, John, but "mark of the beast"? I'm not sure how you reach that conclusion, particularly since the mark won't be given until the middle of the Tribulation.
I concur.

And frankly this is another example of fear mongering and sensationalism. A plague in the minds of individuals. I would say this plague is closer to the Deluding Spirit than China is to bearing the mark of the beast.
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India has put into action and biometric scanning system. Not the mark of course but interesting none the less.

India Implements Biometric ID Program for all of its 1.2 Billion Residents Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
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Mr. WinBySurrender,

The tribulation (the trumpets and bowls) have already started.

Having the mark of the beast….paying homage to its image.

Dan 11:36-39…the last king of the north (the most powerful world nation (+group of nations)….the beast) will…
…Do according to his own will (belief in self-interest, self-rights)
…exalt and magnify himself (this belief in self-rights) above every god
…speak blasphemies against the God of gods (against the Preeminence of the One and Only God)

…prosper till the wrath (the tribulation (trumpets/bowls) of God) has been accomplished
……please note that it is written that this “leader” and his belief will prosper (grow and overwhelm the world) during the wrath of God….in other words the prosperity of its belief is the wrath of God on man. It is that which God has given man over in order to test those that claim to be followers of Christ and to bring to clear evidence man’s rejection of Christ as the Son of the One and Only God. To reject the self-righteous way of man and to confess Christ as the Only True Way is the baptism through fire to be purified in faith. Those that confess Christ to be the Son of the One True God will be persecuted and killed.

…regard neither the God of his fathers nor the desire of women (other religions- other gods)
magnify himself (his belief in the self-rights) above them all (all other beliefs and way of life)
…but in their place he will honor, with gold, silver, and precious stones, a “god of all fortresses”, which his fathers did not know

…he will act against and overcome the strongest fortresses by acknowledging and advancing the glory of this foreign god, his “god of fortresses”

It is written that the last head of the beast, the eight from the seventh, will have two horns (two authorities). One will be as a false lamb and the other will be one speaking the true message of the dragon.
In other words, the outward message will be as of light (seen to be in man’s eyes as righteousness, goodness, and peace). However, the word spoken will be one that denies the preeminence of the Creator God as the One and Only….a message that also denies the relevance of Christ as the One and Only Way of Life to the True God.

The image of the beast is one where it represents (as a false lamb) peace, human rights, freedom of rights, freedom of religion, common good, universal values. This image is being advanced and pressured into all the world. This image is being willingly worshipped by the majority of nations and its peoples. There are some rulers that do not want to live by this way. Sanctions and other pressures, from outside and from the peoples within those nations, are being applied on them in order to conform.
This image of the beast is one which also speaks (as the dragon) because it has labeled the True God as a religion among religions, to be worshipped as per one’s belief in freedom of religion.

It has placed its “god of fortresses” above the True God.
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Don't worry -- the beast will eventually be vanquished.
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Don't worry -- the beast will eventually be vanquished.
Absolutely perfect perspective.

Why in the world do we "Christians" give a care about the Mark of the Beast, the Anti-Christ and the "end of the world?"

Now certainly, I DO NOT KNOW what it's like to face death for my belief in Christ. And I don't know what I would actually do if faced with a choice between life and certain death for my faith.

But, the whole anti-Christ deal has nothing to do with us IF, IF we keep our faith in Christ.

Actually, the whole mark-of-the-beast-apocalypse scenario only REAFFIRMS the reality of the truth of Christ and His Church.

It's good to read about these stories, like India embracing mark-of-the-beast kind of marking systems. BUT, ultimately we should rejoice that WHEN we have to make that choice for Christ, and that it will mean our death, we will make it as gladly as did our ancient brothers and sisters did in ancient Rome, AND in our world AT THIS MOMENT!!!
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Originally Posted by John Stefanyszyn View Post
Mr. WinBySurrender,

The tribulation (the trumpets and bowls) have already started..
You definitely need to stop listening to whomever you are listening to and do some real BIble study. The Tribulation does not start until after the Rapture and at the point of which the antichrist is revealed. Please don't respond. I know you don't agree, and truthfully, I don't care. You won't change my mind.
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Matthew 6 25 Therefore I say unto you, be not anxious for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than the food, and the body than the raiment?

This says it all, doesn't it?
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