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Originally Posted by MrPolo View Post
...or does everyone who believes they have absolute assurance of their salvation go to heaven?
Is thinking the same as believing? It would seem you want it to be by the way you linked them.
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Originally Posted by Standing Up View Post
Heb. 6:17-20 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed [it] by an oath: That by two immutable things, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us: Which [hope] we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil; Whither the forerunner is for us entered, [even] Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

1 Jn. 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Hope that helps.
It always seems to help me, but then I don't have to ask anyone permission to think or believe, so I'm not authoritative.
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Originally Posted by MrPolo View Post
True, but can someone mistakenly think they remained faithful but be wrong?
I thought I was wrong once, but that turned out to be a mistake.
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Originally Posted by MrPolo View Post
So one must examine him/herself to determine whether or not they are following what God wills for them?
They could still be wrong.
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Originally Posted by Standing Up View Post
I was afraid of that. What does it mean to you that God swore an oath upon Himself? Or do you not think it is related to your question?
Sadly, God has resorted to "circular logic" - you know, the sort of "because I say so" arguments disdained by a few here.
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I agree with Harry in that it depends upon whether we have been compelled to accept Christ and done so, according to God's rules/laws or not. If we have, then we must rely upon God's promises and Word (which we must do to begin with to obtain eternal life, so it shouldn't be an issue afterwards.)

God's Word says nothing can separate us from the love of God NOTHING, once we have become believers... and that when we do obtain eternal life by promise, that we are sealed by the Holy Spirit (until the day of redemption when Christ declares us His before the throne of God the Father.)

We must rely upon God for all of it.

Satan is the one who makes you doubt, rebuke him and he will flee from you.

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It is utterly arrogant and presumptive to assume one is "saved." There is only one judge who can determine that.
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"My poor soul! Sigh, pray and strive to take upon you the blessed yoke of Christ, and you will live on earth in a heavenly manner. Lord, grant that I may carry the light and goodly yoke, and I shall be always at rest, peaceful, glad and joyous; and I shall taste on earth of crumbs which fall from the celestial feast, like a dog that feeds upon the crumbs which fall from the master's table."

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Originally Posted by MrPolo View Post
...or does everyone who believes they have absolute assurance of their salvation go to heaven?

As long as one affirms that the Savior is self, there can be no certainty.

If Christ is the Savior, I think there can be.

In God I trust. In me, I'm not so sure....

This is also why I so treasure being Protestant.





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Originally Posted by Nik0s View Post
It is utterly arrogant and presumptive to assume one is "saved." There is only one judge who can determine that.
That's why we do not assume; we know we are saved by the blood of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ!
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Originally Posted by Lion King View Post
That's why we do not assume; we know we are saved by the blood of our LORD and Savior Jesus Christ!
Yes, but sin draws man away from Christ. Everyman sins which is why there can be no certainty.

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