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Originally Posted by Charles Spurgeon View Post
Is the Sabbath a salvational issue to you? If a person claims to be a Christian, but doesn't worship on the Sabbath because they don't think it's necessary under the New Covenant, do you think such a person is truly saved?
If a person claims to be a Christian, but doesn't obey the commandment to not worship idols because they don't think it's necessary under the new covenant, do you think such a person is truly saved?

In other words, why do you think the 4th can be removed from the list of Commandments written by the finger of God and placed within the ark? Can any of the others be removed as well?
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I think we make these questions too personal. What one person or the other person thinks is irrelevant to the matter of salvation. The issue isn't relative. The question is what does the bible say in regards to salvation and what one must do to receive it?

Does the bible say that obedience to God is required for salvation?
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I think we make these questions too personal. What one person or the other person thinks is irrelevant to the matter of salvation. The issue isn't relative. The question is what does the bible say in regards to salvation and what one must do to receive it?

Does the bible say that obedience to God is required for salvation?

Salvation by faith alone in Jesus alone.... those who are saved will obey God's Word.... but... we're under the New Covenant... thus the reason why the vast majority of Evangelicalism doesn't support keeping the Sabbath anymore, because it wasn't a commandment that was brought over in the New Covenant... it was done away with. Fulfilled in Christ.

The reason why most Christians worship on Sunday is because that is the day of the resurrection.

If you guys can prove that the commandment to keep the sabbath was brought over in the New Covenant and has bearing on us after Christ's resurrection then we will be onto something. But as it stands, there's nothing. We go back to that Collosians 2 passage.
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No. I think Saturday worship could be more hazardous than Sunday.
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Indeed yes sunday will be and has never been the day that God ordained for worship
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Originally Posted by Charles Spurgeon View Post
If you guys can prove that the commandment to keep the sabbath was brought over in the New Covenant and has bearing on us after Christ's resurrection then we will be onto something. But as it stands, there's nothing. We go back to that Collosians 2 passage.
Who says we have to prove anything to you? You are in a SDA room questioning our beliefs... kinda rude don't ya think? We are entitled to our beliefs aren't we??
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Originally Posted by street preacher View Post
Indeed yes sunday will be and has never been the day that God ordained for worship
I love the freudian slip... closet Sabbath keeper are we?

Can you show me where in the Bible Sunday was ordained for worship?
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The only day that is ordained today is 'Today'. Sunday no more so than any other day.
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Originally Posted by Section10 View Post
The only day that is ordained today is 'Today'. Sunday no more so than any other day.
Is this just a feeling or do you have anything to back it up with?
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Originally Posted by Stryder06 View Post
You do realize that there are laws being pushed now in other countries that forbade sunday being used as a common day right? And sabbath keepers have been persecuted in the past. It's just about timing for when it will happen again.
If laws are now being pushed forbidding Sunday as a common day, how does that further the SDA beliefs??? Sounds like the opposite of Sunday laws to me.

Would you be so kind as to elaborate on the past persecution of sabbath keepers? I like history!
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