Home | Be a Christian | Devotionals | Join Us! | Forums | Rules | F.A.Q.


Go Back   Christian Forums > Congregation > Faith Groups > Traditional Adventists
Register BlogsPrayersJobsArcade Calendar Mark Forums Read

Traditional Adventists The forum for Adventist members.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #161  
Old 18th January 2012, 09:45 AM
Stryder06's Avatar
Check the signature

30 Gender: Male Married Faith: Seventh-Day-Adventist Country: United States Member For 4 Years Steward
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 9th January 2009
Posts: 12,189
Blessings: 95,656,067
My Mood Blessed
Reps: 1,293,604,044,275,311,616 (power: 1,293,604,044,275,328)
Stryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond repute
Stryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond reputeStryder06 has a reputation beyond repute
Not sure if this is where we were talking about sabbath keepers being persecuted, but anywho:

Sabbath-Keepers In India
__________________
Isa 24:4 The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish. 5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
Reply With Quote
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!

  #162  
Old 18th January 2012, 12:25 PM
EastCoastRemnant's Avatar
Not A Faceless Avatar

46 Gender: Male Married Faith: Seventh-Day-Adventist Country: Canada Member For 2 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 8th December 2010
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 2,539
Blessings: 9,217,764
My Mood Praising
Reps: 44,121,739,321,996,544 (power: 44,121,739,322,001)
EastCoastRemnant has disabled reputation
Originally Posted by JohnMarsten View Post
found this on the net so you dont need to check your bible

Circumcision “everlasting pact” (Genesis 17:13), Passover “perpetual institution” (Exodus 12:14), Feast of Unleavened Bread ”perpetual institution” (Exodus 12:17), Aaronite priesthood “perpetual law” (Exodus 29:9), offering to priests “perpetual ordinance” (Exodus 29:28; Leviticus 7:34-36), burnt offering “throughout your generations” (Exodus 29:42), burning of incense “perpetual” (Exodus 30:8), sin offering “throughout you generations” (Exodus 30:10), priestly washing “perpetual ordinance” (Exodus 30:21), anointing oil “throughout your generations” (Exodus 30:31), 7th day Sabbath “perpetual covenant” (Exodus 31:16-17), fire for burn offering “throughout your generations” (Leviticus 6:6), grain offering “perpetual ordinance” (Leviticus 6:15)also “perpetual statute” (Leviticus 23:14), Yom Kipper feasting “everlasting ordinance” (Leviticus 16:29), Pentecost “perpetual statute” (Leviticus 23:21), Day of Atonement “perpetual statute” (Leviticus 23:31), Feasts of Booths “perpetual statute” (Leviticus 23:41), sanctuary lights “perpetual statute” (Leviticus 24:3), Showbread “everlasting agreement” (Leviticus 24:8), secondary offerings “throughout your generations” (Numbers 15:21), Levitical service at the tabernacle “perpetual ordinance” (Numbers 18:23).

So, are we gonna argue what the word perpetual might actually mean?
My point for the word was that it primarily means continuous, not necessarily that it lasted for eternity. It was in response to the absurd idea that the weekly cycle somehow wasn't continuous or perpetual. All the references you gave for perpetual events stengthens my point, they were done continuously til they were fulfilled.
__________________
Mark 1:15
The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent ye and believe the gospel.
Reply With Quote
  #163  
Old 19th January 2012, 02:21 AM
JohnMarsten's Avatar
Newbie

Gender: Male Faith: Christian Member For 1 Years
 
Join Date: 18th July 2011
Posts: 1,280
Blessings: 154,645
Reps: 11,944,180,166,409,672 (power: 11,944,180,166,412)
JohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond repute
JohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by EastCoastRemnant View Post
My point for the word was that it primarily means continuous, not necessarily that it lasted for eternity. It was in response to the absurd idea that the weekly cycle somehow wasn't continuous or perpetual. All the references you gave for perpetual events stengthens my point, they were done continuously til they were fulfilled.
Yeah right! So now you got my point, from a biblical perspective, as you see, the word perpetual doesnt have to mean its gonna last endlessly, so the words everlasting and stuff, so if there is a fulfillment the whole agenda is stopped...

dont worry, I know what the dictionary says, the thing is you cannot always come up with the dictionary in regard to biblical matters...

aint I always strengthening you point?
Reply With Quote
  #164  
Old 19th January 2012, 06:47 AM
EastCoastRemnant's Avatar
Not A Faceless Avatar

46 Gender: Male Married Faith: Seventh-Day-Adventist Country: Canada Member For 2 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 8th December 2010
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 2,539
Blessings: 9,217,764
My Mood Praising
Reps: 44,121,739,321,996,544 (power: 44,121,739,322,001)
EastCoastRemnant has disabled reputation
Originally Posted by JohnMarsten View Post
aint I always strengthening you point?
__________________
Mark 1:15
The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent ye and believe the gospel.
Reply With Quote
  #165  
Old 20th February 2012, 01:13 PM
reddogs's Avatar
Contributor

Gender: Male Married Faith: Seventh-Day-Adventist Party: US-Others Country: United States Member For 5 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 29th December 2006
Posts: 7,440
Blessings: 1,209,678
Reps: 9,563,211,137,558,796 (power: 9,563,211,137,572)
reddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond repute
reddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond reputereddogs has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by EastCoastRemnant View Post
My point for the word was that it primarily means continuous, not necessarily that it lasted for eternity. It was in response to the absurd idea that the weekly cycle somehow wasn't continuous or perpetual. All the references you gave for perpetual events stengthens my point, they were done continuously til they were fulfilled.
Scripture shows the Sabbath will be for eternity even with God when the new earth and heavens are made, so need to check on that..
__________________
And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also......
Reply With Quote
  #166  
Old 20th February 2012, 07:14 PM
keyboard321's Avatar
Newbie

Gender: Male Faith: Christian Member For 1 Years
 
Join Date: 10th August 2011
Posts: 49
Blessings: 258,791
My Mood Bahahaha
Reps: 36,893,488,158 (power: 36,893,490)
keyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond repute
keyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond reputekeyboard321 has a reputation beyond repute
Will Sunday worship be the downfall of many Christians.
I just don't know but maybe this passages has any significance regarding the subject matter

Jesus ask in one occasion "... But when the Son of Man comes, will he find on this earth anyone with faith?"

and in the same conversation HE said "And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man."

Only few people (8) survived in the days of Noah...Will that be also the same during HIS coming, only few will be saved?

and also this verse is worth to ponder...

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
__________________
1Peter 1:6-7 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:
Reply With Quote
  #167  
Old 20th February 2012, 09:00 PM
Contented's Avatar
Newbie

Gender: Female Faith: Christian Member For 1 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 1st August 2011
Location: Barbados
Posts: 516
Blessings: 1,011,141
My Mood Joyful
Reps: 47,996,445,048,039,440 (power: 47,996,445,048,041)
Contented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond repute
Contented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond reputeContented has a reputation beyond repute
In Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

it states that those who refuse to worship the beast will be killed. Remember that during this time no one will be able to buy or sell except they worship the beast.

I think if we think of a Sunday law it presupposes that only those who keep the Sabbath are true Christians.

In Acts 4 1-5 Peter and John were arrested by the Jews because they stated that the lame man was healed through the power of Jesus. The Jews persecuted the Christians, who were ostensibly keeping the Sabbath, the reason for this they did not like the name of Jesus. Peter told them in Acts 5:9 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Christ himself stated that many would be killed for his name...not for a day. As I have mentioned before, Christianity is about a PERSON and that person is Jesus.
Matthew 24.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
They will say Jesus is the Christ BUT will deceive many.

To say that the downfall of Christians will be the Sunday law is not scriptural. What will Christians do when they cannot buy or sell will they worship the beast and find excuses for doing so. I believe that FAITH is the most critical component of the Christian faith. Without faith we cannot please God. Hebrews 11.6

It is going to be an interesting time to see whether the Sunday keepers will have faith and refuse to bow or if the Sabbath keepers because of pressure of finance and other things give in. Maybe it is time for us to rely on God trust him instead of repeating a lot of endless non-biblical ideas. We must always remember that an idea or an opinion is not a FACT.

Last edited by Contented; 20th February 2012 at 09:06 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #168  
Old 21st February 2012, 12:12 AM
ricker's Avatar
Regular Member

53 Gender: Male Married Faith: Christian Country: United States Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 25th February 2007
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 2,261
Blessings: 1,476,947
My Mood Fine
Reps: 22,848,769,056,729,436 (power: 22,848,769,056,738)
ricker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond repute
ricker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond reputericker has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by Contented View Post
In Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

it states that those who refuse to worship the beast will be killed. Remember that during this time no one will be able to buy or sell except they worship the beast.

I think if we think of a Sunday law it presupposes that only those who keep the Sabbath are true Christians.

In Acts 4 1-5 Peter and John were arrested by the Jews because they stated that the lame man was healed through the power of Jesus. The Jews persecuted the Christians, who were ostensibly keeping the Sabbath, the reason for this they did not like the name of Jesus. Peter told them in Acts 5:9 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Christ himself stated that many would be killed for his name...not for a day. As I have mentioned before, Christianity is about a PERSON and that person is Jesus.
Matthew 24.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
They will say Jesus is the Christ BUT will deceive many.

To say that the downfall of Christians will be the Sunday law is not scriptural. What will Christians do when they cannot buy or sell will they worship the beast and find excuses for doing so. I believe that FAITH is the most critical component of the Christian faith. Without faith we cannot please God. Hebrews 11.6

It is going to be an interesting time to see whether the Sunday keepers will have faith and refuse to bow or if the Sabbath keepers because of pressure of finance and other things give in. Maybe it is time for us to rely on God trust him instead of repeating a lot of endless non-biblical ideas. We must always remember that an idea or an opinion is not a FACT.
So everyone will want to kill SDA's because they won't rest on Sunday? Most Adventists I have known don't have jobs on Sunday anyway.

BTW I am a non-SDA Christian who works on Sunday. All the people I worship with on Sunday mornings buy and sell on Sunday. Who exactly are all these Sunday keepers anyway?
Reply With Quote
  #169  
Old 21st February 2012, 01:48 AM
JohnMarsten's Avatar
Newbie

Gender: Male Faith: Christian Member For 1 Years
 
Join Date: 18th July 2011
Posts: 1,280
Blessings: 154,645
Reps: 11,944,180,166,409,672 (power: 11,944,180,166,412)
JohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond repute
JohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond reputeJohnMarsten has a reputation beyond repute
I had a conversation with my mother yesterday... about the mark of the beast and stuff... and I told that if there is ever gonna be a sunday law it might bring me back to the SDA cause then it would turn out that an egw prophecy actually came true... but for now it seems so unlikely to me...

What I thought about yesterday, if the sabbath day was so important why didnt the new testament (starting from acts) cover the topic? why didnt Paul instruct the believers in all those foreign countries about the sabbath? Like the SDA does... I thought those new christians had probably worked ont he saturday so they probably needed advise on how to change their lifestyle and stuff... yet there is no fragment of Pauls epistles showing how to keep the sabbath in times of the new covenant?
Reply With Quote
  #170  
Old 21st February 2012, 02:16 AM
Contributor

39 Gender: Male Faith: Non-Denominational Party: US-Libertarian Member For 4 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 4th March 2009
Location: Australia
Posts: 5,213
Blessings: 3,132,307
My Mood Cool
Reps: 1,076,635,871,929,167,616 (power: 0)
Stravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond repute
Stravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond reputeStravinsk has a reputation beyond repute
This may come as a big shock to those looking *forward* to a "coming" anti-Christ.

However - according to 1 John 4:

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that[a] Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

If you want to know who anti-Christ is - you have to look backwards, not forwards.

His identity is given in Scripture. And the *spirit* of Anti-Christ has been with us from the beginning.


Reply With Quote
Reply


Return to Traditional Adventists

Thread Tools
Display Modes


 
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:54 AM.