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Real Marriage: The Truth About Sex, Friendship, and Life Together

Anyone else getting this book tomorrow? I am so excited I have been waiting forever for it to come out. I absolutely love Mark and Grace Driscoll and for them to write this book together...it is going to be amazing!! My husband and I are going though it together and then are going to see them on their book tour in September. Mark and Grace will be touring for this book for the next two years. They care so much about the issue of marriage and how in our society it is failing that they are going all around the country to talk about it. Very excited hope you all read it let me know if you do and what you think. This is a great read even if you are not married yet, but are going to be in the future it answers pretty much any and all questions you could ever have. =]

Amazon.com: Real Marriage: The Truth About Sex, Friendship, and Life Together (9781400203833): Mark Driscoll, Grace Driscoll: Books

*They also have a workbook you can get to study through with your spouse/partner.*


Pastor Mark Driscoll and his wife, Grace, talk about sex and marriage in down-to-earth terms, hitting issues other Christian books won't.
While a wonderful wedding day is important, it's the last day of marriage that really counts. Will the last day of your marriage come prematurely through divorce? Will it be filled with regrets as you sit at the funeral of your spouse? Or, by God's grace, will the last day be a day to rejoice in the life you lived together?
Pastor Mark Driscoll and his wife, Grace, want you to finish well on the last day. From the importance of date nights to answers to the most tricky "can we do that?" sex questions, they share practical help and hope with people just like them-who entered marriage a complete mess-or who are planning to be married someday and want to avoid some sticky pitfalls.
Together Pastor Mark and Grace tackle the tough issues, such as:
  • Why being your spouse's best friend changes everything and how to achieve it.
  • Pornography and sexual sin inside and outside of marriage.
  • Submission and respect - marriage's most misunderstood tenets-and what they should really look like.
  • Honoring your spouse emotionally, technologically, and financially.
  • What the Bible says about masturbation and oral sex.
  • The "Can we do that?" questions you're too embarrassed to ask your pastor.
  • How to deal with intimacy issues and create the joyful and fun sex life God intended you to have.
  • What type of man or woman are you? What type of lover are you? And what type of marriage do you have?
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Driscoll is a purity pharisee and a major part of the manlyness cult in the church. I really don't care what the man has to say about anything.

The great love affair Christians have with Mark Driscoll is more disturbing then anything. I personally can't stand him.
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Originally Posted by Luther073082 View Post
Driscoll is a purity pharisee and a major part of the manlyness cult in the church. I really don't care what the man has to say about anything.

The great love affair Christians have with Mark Driscoll is more disturbing then anything. I personally can't stand him.

Your allowed your opinion but I like his speaking style and his theology.
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Driscoll is a purity pharisee and a major part of the manlyness cult in the church. I really don't care what the man has to say about anything.
What is your basis for judging your brother as a Pharisee. Paul said, "I am a Pharisee. The son of a Pharisee." Would you listen to anything he has to say?

What is 'the manlyness cult'?


The great love affair Christians have with Mark Driscoll is more disturbing then anything. I personally can't stand him.
Do you find that you cannot stand a lot of brothers in Christ?
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Christians have become so uptight about sex and there is very little understanding of what is ok and what isn't. Many couples just stop having sex all together and their marriages are suffering because of it. They associate it with being dirty or perverted not as bringing glory to God. It is a major issue with Christian marriage that is leading to divorce. Sex is good and was created by God and we need to learn how to enjoy it with our spouses and not be afraid of it. Mark Driscoll is not perfect he is still human but I love that a pastor is being bold about these issues and is speaking up about it. We need to stop running from sex and being afraid of it because our marriages are suffering. And how can we be the standard for the world when our marriages are suffering just as fast.

This book opens up a lot of much needed discussion among married couples today. =]
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What is your basis for judging your brother as a Pharisee. Paul said, "I am a Pharisee. The son of a Pharisee." Would you listen to anything he has to say?
Purity Pharisee. . . Driscoll has come out many times telling unmarried couples to avoid physical intimacies that they are not instructed to avoid in the bible. Things such as kissing. If its not in the bible but you are teaching people like it is a command. You are a pharisee.

What is 'the manlyness cult'?
Telling men to man up and listing off 300 things, 295 of which arn't found in the bible that you must do to be a "real man".

Its been pointed out many times that Christians telling men to man up is essetitally the same as encouraging them to please women and not to please God.

Do you find that you cannot stand a lot of brothers in Christ?
Nope. . . just manlyness cultists and purity pharisee's like Driscoll. I'm also not a fan of those who call themselves brothers but are power hungry, will not take criticism, and have no humility what so ever. Driscoll fits all 3 of these as well. He has excommunicated other pastors from Mars Hill for daring to be critical of the direction he is taking the church.

He wants his church to center around him and no one else. That is why all of the Mars Hill churchs all tune into him for the sermon. The leaders of most churchs, try to shepard the pastors and administrativly lead their churchs, not try to make sure everyone in the church listens to THEIR sermons.

Also Driscoll is a flat out liar. I can tell you for a fact that Martin Luther doesn't agree with his theology, yet he loves to claim that Luther does through his selective reading of Luther.

The man is flat out insulting and essentially questions the manhood of any man that isn't exactly like him. Like to play video games occasionally?? Congradulations you are too immature for marriage and are a boy in a mans body. What if God forbid your wife works. . . Too immature for marriage and possibly a loser.

The only way you can be a man in his mind is to be exactly like him.

For the record, I do like to occasionally play video games, and yes my wife does work. . . and those things arn't banned in the bible. Because Jesus unlike Driscoll doesn't pigeonhole people into being only 1 way. He gives commands, sets out an attitude to live by and you are free to be yourself.

And just for the record. . . I also work full time and I'm far from addicted or anything close to addicted to video games or really anything. Of course in Driscoll's mind those things are not really possible. You are either addicted to video games or you don't play them at all.

I can't stand pharisee's like Driscoll. . . I guess they are an off branch of the pietist movement.

I'm a Neo/Old Lutheran Evangelical Catholic. . . and strongly opposed to pietist movements and their false teachings.

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Christians have become so uptight about sex and there is very little understanding of what is ok and what isn't. Many couples just stop having sex all together and their marriages are suffering because of it. They associate it with being dirty or perverted not as bringing glory to God. It is a major issue with Christian marriage that is leading to divorce. Sex is good and was created by God and we need to learn how to enjoy it with our spouses and not be afraid of it. Mark Driscoll is not perfect he is still human but I love that a pastor is being bold about these issues and is speaking up about it. We need to stop running from sex and being afraid of it because our marriages are suffering. And how can we be the standard for the world when our marriages are suffering just as fast.

This book opens up a lot of much needed discussion among married couples today. =]
Our marriages are suffering because of him and people like him. The fact that he's trying to repair some of the damage that HE HAS CAUSED, does not win him any support from me.
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Purity Pharisee. . . Driscoll has come out many times telling unmarried couples to avoid physical intimacies that they are not instructed to avoid in the bible. Things such as kissing. If its not in the bible but you are teaching people like it is a command. You are a pharisee.



Telling men to man up and listing off 300 things, 295 of which arn't found in the bible that you must do to be a "real man".

Its been pointed out many times that Christians telling men to man up is essetitally the same as encouraging them to please women and not to please God.



Nope. . . just manlyness cultists and purity pharisee's like Driscoll. I'm also not a fan of those who call themselves brothers but are power hungry, will not take criticism, and have no humility what so ever. Driscoll fits all 3 of these as well. He has excommunicated other pastors from Mars Hill for daring to be critical of the direction he is taking the church.

He wants his church to center around him and no one else. That is why all of the Mars Hill churchs all tune into him for the sermon. The leaders of most churchs, try to shepard the pastors and administrativly lead their churchs, not try to make sure everyone in the church listens to THEIR sermons.

Also Driscoll is a flat out liar. I can tell you for a fact that Martin Luther doesn't agree with his theology, yet he loves to claim that Luther does through his selective reading of Luther.

The man is flat out insulting and essentially questions the manhood of any man that isn't exactly like him. Like to play video games occasionally?? Congradulations you are too immature for marriage and are a boy in a mans body. What if God forbid your wife works. . . Too immature for marriage and possibly a loser.

The only way you can be a man in his mind is to be exactly like him.

For the record, I do like to occasionally play video games, and yes my wife does work. . . and those things arn't banned in the bible. Because Jesus unlike Driscoll doesn't pigeonhole people into being only 1 way. He gives commands, sets out an attitude to live by and you are free to be yourself.

And just for the record. . . I also work full time and I'm far from addicted or anything close to addicted to video games or really anything. Of course in Driscoll's mind those things are not really possible. You are either addicted to video games or you don't play them at all.

I can't stand pharisee's like Driscoll. . . I guess they are an off branch of the pietist movement.

I'm a Neo/Old Lutheran Evangelical Catholic. . . and strongly opposed to pietist movements and their false teachings.

Old Lutherans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Neo-Lutheranism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Evangelical Catholic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pietism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You clearly don't know anything about Driscoll or his preaching so ya I'm moving on. I don't know what the Pietism movement is but Driscoll is classified as Reformed.
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Our marriages are suffering because of him and people like him. The fact that he's trying to repair some of the damage that HE HAS CAUSED, does not win him any support from me.

What do you mean that he has caused have you ever even read anything by him or watched a sermon of his? He has been married to the same women for 20 some years and has 5 children. They believe and preach that marriage is between one man and one women and that we are equal in God but have different yet complementary roles as husband and wife.

"Mars Hill is committed to complementarianism in the home and church. We also believe that men and women are partners in every area of life and ministry together. Though equal, men and women have biblically defined complementary and distinct roles, so that husbands are to lovingly lead their homes like Jesus and only men should serve as pastors in the church. Because of the sinful propensity of humans to distort the biblical concept of complementarianism, it’s important to cultivate a compassionate and kind complementarianism that starts with celebrating Christ’s love for the church. Likewise we encourage men to love their wives and children, and for pastors to lead and serve people sacrificially."
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Originally Posted by Bella Vita View Post
You clearly don't know anything about Driscoll or his preaching so ya I'm moving on. I don't know what the Pietism movement is but Driscoll is classified as Reformed.
Actually I think you don't know much about Driscoll or the Pietism movement (which is a wide movement accross several Christian denominations, which widely influenced the Prussian Union between Lutheran and Reformed churchs and us Old Lutherans are still kinda ticked about.)

But here you Go. . .

Driscoll on Video Games. . .

Video Games Aren’t Sinful, They’re Just Stupid | The Mars Hill Blog

Oh so my hobbies and the things I do to unwind are stupid. Thanks Driscoll you are totally winning my support.

Driscoll: “Video Games are Stupid” and Other Sins of Communication | Christ and Pop Culture

Driscoll on being a "real man"

Mark Driscoll Is A Bully «

http://rachelheldevans.com/mark-dris...=Google+Reader

Driscoll can't tolerate critism

Who Would Jesus Smack Down? - Mark Driscoll, a Pastor with a Macho Conception of Christ - NYTimes.com

Nowhere is the connection between Driscoll’s hypermasculinity and his Calvinist theology clearer than in his refusal to tolerate opposition at Mars Hill. The Reformed tradition’s resistance to compromise and emphasis on the purity of the worshipping community has always contained the seeds of authoritarianism: John Calvin had heretics burned at the stake and made a man who casually criticized him at a dinner party march through the streets of Geneva, kneeling at every intersection to beg forgiveness. Mars Hill is not 16th-century Geneva, but Driscoll has little patience for dissent. In 2007, two elders protested a plan to reorganize the church that, according to critics, consolidated power in the hands of Driscoll and his closest aides. Driscoll told the congregation that he asked advice on how to handle stubborn subordinates from a “mixed martial artist and Ultimate Fighter, good guy” who attends Mars Hill. “His answer was brilliant,” Driscoll reported. “He said, ‘I break their nose.’ ” When one of the renegade elders refused to repent, the church leadership ordered members to shun him. One member complained on an online message board and instantly found his membership privileges suspended. “They are sinning through questioning,” Driscoll preached. John Calvin couldn’t have said it better himself.
Oh thats nice, a few members question you as pastor and your solution is to "break their nose" - (Nice language from a "pastor") and suspend them from membership.

Real churchs handle dissent. . . Mars Hill throws it out.

Its you my friend who don't know anything about Mark Driscoll. The man is a complete fraud if you ask me. But itching ears love to hear what he has to say.

He essentially closes off the church. . . and Christ to anyone who doesn't meet his definition of a macho man. Apparently ultimate fighting is great. . . real people using real violence in a real fight. But a video game, no matter what it is is stupid.

Yeah I can totally see Jesus getting involved in a cage match... Cause we all know if Jesus wasn't busy being Lord and Savior he'd just love to be an ultimate fighter!!!

Really? Like really? This is your great Christian leader a man applauds violence and loves violent imagery?
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"Many Christians suppose that it makes no difference which church group a Christian joins, and they act accordingly. When they come to a place where any kind of Protestant church is found, they join it as members. There are people who were successively Reformed, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Congregationalists, depending upon the place where they lived. And we should not be surprised when this happens among the sects, for they are not certain about their distinctive doctrines, because they are not grounded in God's Word." - Franz Pieper

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