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11th January 2012, 12:07 PM
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Reps: 727,303,356,286,854,400 (power: 727,303,356,286,863) | | | Lovely Lane, now that you've quoted St. Basil, please also quote those passages where I've mocked him, as you claim I have done. I do respect him. And if what I have said has been understood by you to be mocking of him I want a chance to either (1) correct what I suspect is a misunderstanding of my comments or (2) repent of my actions. |
11th January 2012, 02:04 PM
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11th January 2012, 02:54 PM
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Reps: 890,457,585,704,111,488 (power: 890,457,585,704,119) | | Originally Posted by GraceSeeker  Lovely Lane, now that you've quoted St. Basil, please also quote those passages where I've mocked him, as you claim I have done. I do respect him. And if what I have said has been understood by you to be mocking of him I want a chance to either (1) correct what I suspect is a misunderstanding of my comments or (2) repent of my actions.
No, I won't speak to you about these things again. I know what your partisan position is. |
11th January 2012, 03:15 PM
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Reps: 727,303,356,286,854,400 (power: 727,303,356,286,863) | | Originally Posted by Lovely Lane No, I won't speak to you about these things again. I know what your partisan position is.
So, you accuse me of holding a partisan position, but either will not or cannot point to where I actually speak in a partisan way. I believe, sir, that you do me an injustice.
For instance: Originally Posted by Lovely Lane Bottom line... I now see what has happened here. You do not know the difference of Saints and monks. Such as St. Basil compared to those men who practiced an acetic way of life such as monks. You lumped them all together, all men who wear robes sort of pile, and stated that they were handicapped.
The truth: I do know the difference between Saints and monks. And I do not lump together all men who wear robes. And I did not do so above. If it appears that way, I apologize for not having been clearer in my writing.
Now, if such was my actual statement, please show me that I might repent of it, for I do not intend to say such things. If you cannot show that in my exact words, then show where you gleaned that idea from what I wrote and I will try to help allay your misunderstanding of those words, for you do misunderstand them if you get the above idea from them.
But now, you refuse to have that discussion. Why? Is it that you think that I would not be honest enough to repent of something wrongly said? Is it that you realize your error and misunderstanding of my intent, yet refuse to admit it? Is it that you have no desire for reconciliation? Or is it that the partisan position you speak of is more yours than mine to begin with?
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11th January 2012, 03:43 PM
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Injustice is right, St Basil received little justice in your partisan postings of him. If you don't think much of the Saints, why post? If it were your birthday, would you expect favorable comments or negative? |
11th January 2012, 06:40 PM
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Reps: 727,303,356,286,854,400 (power: 727,303,356,286,863) | | Originally Posted by Lovely Lane You can try to bait me as much as you like, I'm not debating the Saint issue with you.
Injustice is right, St Basil received little justice in your partisan postings of him. If you don't think much of the Saints, why post? If it were your birthday, would you expect favorable comments or negative?
And I'm not seeking to debate any saint issue with you, either.
But you have accused me of mocking Saint Basil. I say I have not and that if you understood my comments in that way that you have misunderstood them. However, you won't accept my word on this point, and continue to speak of me as having mocked him. Even now you say that I have rendered him an injustice. So, now I ask you where?
But you don't respond. You claim that I'm baiting you. Ha! You want to see baiting: I flat out claim that you are lying about my comments with regard to St. Basil.
If you are not going to put up, and instead simply shut up, then I take your unwillingness to post where I mocked St. Basil as actually declaration not just of unwillingness, but of unableness. You are unable to back up your claim because the truth is that I did not mock him. And your criticism of me is what is in fact the only partisan posting taking place.  |
11th January 2012, 07:22 PM
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you informed me of this... You're right that I don't either revere or venerate the saints. Not St. Basil nor St. Gregory, not St. Paul nor St. Peter, not St. Mary nor St. Joseph, not saint Lovely Lane nor St. Grace Seeker. I honor and respect them all as saints, God's people. But to show them reverence? No, I don't do that.
..of which I knew already because this is the standard partisan protestant belief. Am I right? I think so. Also, by this writing of yours, I pointed out before and now again (last time), you do know the difference between canonized Saint and what some (if not all) Protestants consider all Christians as 'saints'. Obviously, this thread being of St. Basil day, why would you post on something that you admit to not revering in any way. And when you posted, it was not in support, but to point out St. Basil's flaws according to your opinion.
You accuse me of... You display an anti-western, anti-protestant bias that I believe has caused you to project things that you are angry about with regard to others unto things that are not even said here.
...I posted a question to this, you never answered. Why not, because it is a baseless attack.
You ask... Is it that you realize your error and misunderstanding of my intent, yet refuse to admit it? Is it that you have no desire for reconciliation? Or is it that the partisan position you speak of is more yours than mine to begin with?
Three No's,
I flat out claim that you are lying about my comments with regard to St. Basil.
I am not a liar. You are not seeing anything pass your nose, except for what Grace Seeker writes.
If you are not going to put up, and instead simply shut up, then I take your unwillingness to post where I mocked St. Basil as actually declaration not just of unwillingness, but of unableness. You are unable to back up your claim because the truth is that I did not mock him. And your criticism of me is what is in fact the only partisan posting taking place.
No, I shall not shut up. And I do not have to be stalked or harassed by you as to when or if I respond to your hateful words.
I have no partisan beliefs, that should be apparent in my writings. The only belief I adhere to is the teachings of Christ, not opinions of ministers. For example, I enjoy icons and veneration of the Saints. And we all know what the UMC states about these things, am I a partisan United Methodist? no.
You sir must be having some personal difficulties in this new year already, so I accept you calling me a liar as to bait me, not really wanting to flame me. You post on a thread of St Basil Day and yet admit to not having any reverence but have plenty of critique of St. Basil's works. I can only hope for a flock of geese fly over you on your birthday to deliver my gift to you. (be glad cows don't fly).
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11th January 2012, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GraceSeeker And I'm not seeking to debate any saint issue with you, either.
But you have accused me of mocking Saint Basil. I say I have not and that if you understood my comments in that way that you have misunderstood them. However, you won't accept my word on this point, and continue to speak of me as having mocked him. Even now you say that I have rendered him an injustice. So, now I ask you where?
But you don't respond. You claim that I'm baiting you. Ha! You want to see baiting: I flat out claim that you are lying about my comments with regard to St. Basil.
If you are not going to put up, and instead simply shut up, then I take your unwillingness to post where I mocked St. Basil as actually declaration not just of unwillingness, but of unableness. You are unable to back up your claim because the truth is that I did not mock him. And your criticism of me is what is in fact the only partisan posting taking place.
You could have just walked away, for several days you did without answering any of my questions to you. And now, this is what you post.
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11th January 2012, 07:35 PM
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Reps: 727,303,356,286,854,400 (power: 727,303,356,286,863) | | | You're right, I don't see it. How is any of this evidence of the mocking of St. Basil?
To mock = To treat with ridicule or contempt; deride.
I said that I don't revere Basil, but that I respect him. That's hardly ridicule, contempt or derision.
I called you and myself saints. That's what St. Paul calls us. Do you accuse him of mocking the saints as well?
You may not like my view of Basil as an ordinary man who made an extraordinary contribution to the work of the Church and the history of Christian thought and practice. You may not like that I view his contribution to the development of Christian community to be even greater than his contribution to Christian theology. But those views hardly constitute mockery. If you think they do, then I suggest you don't understand what the word mockery means. But mockery is what you accuse me of, and it is because of this that I went so far as to assert that you are lying with regard to me and my comments on St. Basil. |
11th January 2012, 07:38 PM
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Reps: 727,303,356,286,854,400 (power: 727,303,356,286,863) | | Originally Posted by Lovely Lane You post on a thread of St Basil Day and yet admit to not having any reverence but have plenty of critique of St. Basil's works.
Where do you see me critique St. Basil's works?
If you are refering to his written works, I made no comments on them at all.
If you are referring to his overall ministry, I did comment on it and made positive comments. So what's your problem with what I have written? | | |
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