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Old 27th December 2011, 07:45 PM
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I am losing my faith Please Help

Friends My life is one example for many miracles from the Lord
But somehow I am not unable to trust on the Lord with pure heart.

I always get this feeling of "why am I not able to experience super natural things like people used to experience in the old testament days".

The city where I Live,I see many disabled people everywhere,and everytime I see them I remember the scriptures from the new testament,why god did not heal them and still they are facing a miserable life.

Bible says Jesus christ has won the battle over satan and yet today christians are feeling difficulty to talk with the Lord.As one of my good friends on CF suggested me a Muller document,it helped me in knowing the difference between the holy spirit and evil spirits,yet I am unable to trust in the lord.


Please suggest me lot of Books to know about christianity for total

I am feeling so Incomplete these days,I feel like God isn't real,it's just Human foresight or Brain power that is doing all these "realistic" things in our life.

Is it that inside my mind I had this feeling that god does super natural things or being a christian you could experience a super natural scene ?

I am really disturbed and I don't want to give up,so I want to start from ground zero again.

I just want to start as an Atheist who is trying to know if god exists or not,I want to do the research in the right way and know the things correct.I think it is my half knowledge on christianity is making me feel like this.

Please help me and give me the proper guidance,
I had a terrible Christmas and my mother is facing some personal crisis.
I did a fasting prayer for 2 days,yet I am feeling so incomplete,drained and faithless.

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Old 27th December 2011, 08:14 PM
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Friends My life is one example for many miracles from the Lord
Why do you say that?
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Old 27th December 2011, 10:10 PM
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Friends My life is one example for many miracles from the Lord
But somehow I am not unable to trust on the Lord with pure heart.

I always get this feeling of "why am I not able to experience super natural things like people used to experience in the old testament days".

The city where I Live,I see many disabled people everywhere,and everytime I see them I remember the scriptures from the new testament,why god did not heal them and still they are facing a miserable life.

Bible says Jesus christ has won the battle over satan and yet today christians are feeling difficulty to talk with the Lord.As one of my good friends on CF suggested me a Muller document,it helped me in knowing the difference between the holy spirit and evil spirits,yet I am unable to trust in the lord.


Please suggest me lot of Books to know about christianity for total

I am feeling so Incomplete these days,I feel like God isn't real,it's just Human foresight or Brain power that is doing all these "realistic" things in our life.

Is it that inside my mind I had this feeling that god does super natural things or being a christian you could experience a super natural scene ?

I am really disturbed and I don't want to give up,so I want to start from ground zero again.

I just want to start as an Atheist who is trying to know if god exists or not,I want to do the research in the right way and know the things correct.I think it is my half knowledge on christianity is making me feel like this.

Please help me and give me the proper guidance,
I had a terrible Christmas and my mother is facing some personal crisis.
I did a fasting prayer for 2 days,yet I am feeling so incomplete,drained and faithless.
Rudez,

All of us once stood before God as convicted crinimals diserving Hell for our crimes (sins) but God (the righteous judge) in love for us, sent his one and only son into this world to die in our place.

So since Jesus died in our place, we can be declared righteous because Jesus became our substitute and died for our sins.

So what do you need to do? Well Jesus asks only this, that you believe in him - that's all it takes to get to Heaven. Simple, sincere belief that Jesus is who he says he is and the sincere belief in what he has done for you.

Jesus is very real and wants you to know him without doubt. But in order to do that you must have faith. If you ask God to help you to know him, if you humble yourself before him and earnestly seek him, God will answer your prayers and reveal himself to you. When I use the word 'reveal,' I don't mean he expose himself to you but rather he will allow you to come to the realisation that he is real through perhaps a circumstance or something you read etc, God can allow something to click in your head and you will say wow, I know now he is real and I have the faith to beleive it! It's like seeing those optical illusion puzzles, you will finally see the picture in the patterns and it will all be so clear to you.

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As for being able to heal people etc. Those powers were given to the early Christians in order to help spread the gospel. God gave disciples these powers to show that the gospel had it's authority from Heaven. The power to heal and speak in tongues have long since gone.

You see the gospel was a new teaching which came about after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Men could go on to believe this new teaching because they could see that God was behind it from the power discplayed in the healing etc of people by the disciples.

But scripture clearly states that these things would cease after a time.

But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

1 Corinthians 13:8
But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.


And even the Apostle Paul seemed to have been unable to heal people at a certain stage in his life:

2 Timothy 4:20
I left Trophimus sick in Miletus.

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The only book I can really advise that you read is the bible. The gospel of John is an excellent place to start. Before you begin reading though, pray to God and ask him to help you understand what you read.



Hope this helps friend.
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The previous post is the problem. Their is a movement that spiritual gifts don't exist today. It is simply not true the context of the Scripture is his interpted by many. This causes a lack of faith in God due to these things gone away. It is not found in the bible it is based on the assumption in the following text when that which is perfect has come. The unbelievers assume this is the completed bible. The bible is the living word of god and has been here from the beginning. What Paul was teaching was when we meet Christ face to face we will understand Gods purposes in all things. This type of teaching combined with constant worldly influence is quinching the spiritual gifts in many. Read the text for your self. Consider a spirit filled church and renew your mind for his glory. Ask yourself if what our lord promised is not for today and the holy spirit is limited as to Gods promise. And all the teaching from Paul is void along with the other apostles is the cross still for today are we covered by the blood of the lamb? Or has that not today either. It is our lack of belief that quinchs Gods best for our lives it is mans twist on Scripture. Try WOF forums ask the veteran teachers their. Or try the charismatic forum and reach out to them. Don't give up don't let the church or the devil steal you joy or hamper your faith. As to fm107 show me where the bible teaches god is not the same today as he was yesterday. Show me where you find this because you and many others misinterpretation of chapter 13 is simply nonsense
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Originally Posted by rudez View Post
I always get this feeling of "why am I not able to experience super natural things like people used to experience in the old testament days".
God used more outward signs in Old Testament times and during the early church in order to show that God is real. Remember that there were many "gods" back then. The people of Israel needed something on which to base their faith. Now that Christianity has been established, we rely on scripture and the Holy Spirit. If we all experienced supernatural miracles on a regular basis, there would be no need for faith.
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Old 28th December 2011, 06:23 AM
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God used more outward signs in Old Testament times and during the early church in order to show that God is real. Remember that there were many "gods" back then. The people of Israel needed something on which to base their faith. Now that Christianity has been established, we rely on scripture and the Holy Spirit. If we all experienced supernatural miracles on a regular basis, there would be no need for faith.
Amen!

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As to fm107 show me where the bible teaches god is not the same today as he was yesterday. Show me where you find this because you and many others misinterpretation of chapter 13 is simply nonsense
God is the same today as he was yesterday - I don't know where your getting that I said otherwise from.

As for my apparent misinterpretation - feel free to show me the correct interpretation rather just stating that what I said is wrong?
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I'll recommend one book: Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of the Cross (it's even available online for free at the Christian Classics Ethereal Library). He describes the great spiritual dryness, doubt, and confusion which we all experience at some point or another, and how it is not something to be despaired of. Doubting, questioning, and even feeling like your prayers are ineffectual are not sinful of themselves--the Psalms show where David, said to be a "man after God's own heart" felt just this way many times. You must not lose heart, however. Even when it seems like nothing is working, it is all for your benefit. Do not be distracted by teachings that provide cheap rushes of superficial happiness but little growth or understanding. That is building a house on sand at best, and turning away from the light in favor of worldly distraction (even though it may call itself the very truth of God) at worst. I have felt much the same doubts as you have described, and more so than me, many of the great heroes of the faith have as well. King David and St. John of the Cross we have mentioned, but there are multitudinous other examples. Blessed Mother Teresa even lived with such doubts almost fifty years.

You call your own life an "example for many miracles;" why, then, would you want to start again "as an atheist," as if you have not already been provided with the germ from which faith should spring? Scripture says that to know God, one must believe he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. You have your own evidence that he does, and the whole of the universe to back this up (even evolution bears God's autograph all over it). If you truly wish to do so, however, why not consult C. S. Lewis' "Mere Christianity"? The first portion describes his own experiences where he came back to Christianity after abandoning all belief for quite some time. Regardless of what conclusions you come to, I highly recommend this book.

Those are the first two books that come to mind for your current situation. I hope you find for yourself a Christian tradition to call your own, and delve deeply into it.
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I made up some questions for myself before I read the posts here as I am doing the research from the beginning to get myself clarified with crystal clear.

1.
Why should I believe Christianity is true ? I have never been influence by any other religion and never worshipped any idols before.
I see a lot of connection in the old testament books but I don't see any connection in the new testament except it is like spreading christianity and mix of human words.

2.If Jesus is the Lord,What does he wants from me ? Just because I am afraid of hell,I am not going to believe in the Lord.
I have the attitude of a commander of an air force defense etc
There we Just don't do something because we are afraid of it and that we might get killed.
We know our heads,
We know who they are
where they are sending us and we know reason why we have to follow their orders etc
For every mission we have a purpose.

So considering god,
If Jesus is the Lord,
What does he wants from me ?
What does he want me to be ?
If he wants something,should I change my feelings according to it ?
Should I destroy my feelings for the sake of god ?
Does god wants me to destroy my own feelings and follow his feelings.

Christianity says the god is love
but why do I see many miserable christians in my life who always say they that don't get enough help from the Lord.

How should I know what god is planning for me ?
Why is humanity (only christian population) facing a lot of difficulty to know about the lord,

Psalms sound very nice to hear,but are they for real ? does god can bless any one like that ?

Last but not least
Does god really communicates with us ?
or is it angels or someone else speaking ?



My main goal of this research is to get to know exact answers from the Lord
like I said before
I just fasted for two days just to know if god is speaking to me or not
But i did not get any answers,
this dark phase is killing me.
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Old 28th December 2011, 02:07 PM
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Rudez,


As for being able to heal people etc. Those powers were given to the early Christians in order to help spread the gospel. God gave disciples these powers to show that the gospel had it's authority from Heaven. The power to heal and speak in tongues have long since gone.

You see the gospel was a new teaching which came about after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Men could go on to believe this new teaching because they could see that God was behind it from the power discplayed in the healing etc of people by the disciples.

But scripture clearly states that these things would cease after a time.

But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

1 Corinthians 13:8
But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.


And even the Apostle Paul seemed to have been unable to heal people at a certain stage in his life:

2 Timothy 4:20
I left Trophimus sick in Miletus.

............................

The only book I can really advise that you read is the bible. The gospel of John is an excellent place to start. Before you begin reading though, pray to God and ask him to help you understand what you read.



Hope this helps friend.
But I get to speak in tongues sometimes
Is it me speaking or any evil spirit.

What about the spiritual gifts ? So spiritual gifts don't exist any more ?

Originally Posted by Peripatetic View Post
God used more outward signs in Old Testament times and during the early church in order to show that God is real. Remember that there were many "gods" back then. The people of Israel needed something on which to base their faith. Now that Christianity has been established, we rely on scripture and the Holy Spirit. If we all experienced supernatural miracles on a regular basis, there would be no need for faith.

Why not for us ? even today hinduism and islam are dominating.
I never had problems with islam friends,except with the extremists
since I lived in a Hindu country,i know how bad that religion is and how those idols cause a lot of damage to christians and other people.

Hinduism is a main part of illuminus or luciferanism.
during these times,we need something very powerful from the lord to defend ourselves from these people.


Regarding miracles in my life,
I don't know i feel that they are miracles,
But they are realistic,there is nothing to do with interference with god or may be I don't know what has happened when they took place in my life.
If you check my previous posts,
I got lot of visions and all came true and sometimes I get visions which happen immediately on the day itself.
I have strong science facts to support all these things,
But I want it from the Lord side,as science came from the lord.

I just want to communicate with the Lord,in a very effective way.
I am dying for that.

Scriptures say that elijah and elisha are same people like us,but they have strong holy spirit power ,then what difference does it makes in calling them US and those powerful prophets the same ?
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Romans. John. Luke.
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