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What is the difference between Mormons and Jehovah's witness?

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What's the difference? They both canvas doors, stop people on streets and present a new gospel.

So what's the difference?

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Originally Posted by lismore View Post
Hello

What's the difference? They both canvas doors, stop people on streets and present a new gospel.

So what's the difference?

There are many differences but one is that the JW's think Jesus is the archangel Micheal whereas the Mormons do not.

The Mormons believe there are 3 different kingdoms one goes to upon death plus a spiritual world whereas the JW's do not.
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The differences between the two are HUGE.

LDS: "Elohim is considered to be God the Father, the father of Jehovah (or Jesus Christ) and of the human race. The Church promotes this point of view in all of its current lesson manuals, periodicals and literature."
The Development of the Mormon Jehovah Doctrine

LDS: Mark E. Petersen, “Adam, the Archangel,” Ensign, Nov 1980, p. 16

LDS: "Adam and Eve knew God personally. They saw him and talked with him. They were taught the gospel of Jesus Christ even in that early time—which was long before the Lord’s earthly ministry, for Jesus had been appointed to be the Savior during our premortal existence.

"The plan of salvation, therefore, was instituted among these first human beings, Adam and Eve and their children. Angels taught them. The family believed. They were baptized and began to serve God. (See Moses 5.)"
LDS.org - Ensign Article - Adam, the Archangel


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As Phoebe Ann said, there is quite a difference. Myself being a Mormon, I'm quite familiar with people mistaking us with the other for the very reason you said: knocking doors. That's probably one of the only things that make us similar. Other than that our defining and unique core doctrines are quite different.

Another interesting similarity is that our churches were relatively started around the same time in USA if I'm not mistaken. So both our churches are relatively 'young,' which I believe makes a big difference on a cultures outlook on these noob religions.

I'll spare you the details of the major doctrinal issues, but if you read each of their articles on wikipedia, you'd get the gist.
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After knocking on the door all similarities disappear!

In my personal experiences and interactions with both, I find I have more in common with LDS.
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What do the two groups teach about man?

LDS/Mormon:
Physical offspring of Celestial Parents - Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother - in a spirit world - Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 97; Mormon Doctrine, p. 589

“We are gods in embryo”
Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 21

“you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves…the same as all Gods have done before you.…”
Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-346

Opportunity after death in a "spirit prison" for those who haven't heard the Mormon "gospel" - Gospel Principles, 1992, p. 292


Jehovah's Witness:

The soul of man ceases to exist after death - no hell - Knowledge that Leads to Everlasting Life, p. 81-85

Second chance in the resurrection for all to prove worthy of everlasting life. - Knowledge that Leads to Everlasting Life, p. 87-88


Both Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons insist that a restoration of true Christianity was needed as a result of a complete apostasy from the original faith, yet Jesus proclaimed: "...I will build My church; and the gates of Hades shall not overpower it" (Matthew 16:18 NASB)

Both groups go from door to door hoping to gain converts who may already be attending other churches which they consider to be false.

What does the Bible say about man?
Man is a creation of God whose "spirit" was formed "within" him - 1 Cor. 15:46; John 8:23; Zech 12:1

Immediately upon death, the conscious soul/spirit of the Christian will dwell with God - 2 Cor. 5:6-8; Phil. 1:21-23; Rev. 6:9-10
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Another major difference between JW's and Mormons is in their understanding of the nature of God.

JW's are extremely monotheistic in that they deny the deity of the Holy Spirit instead considering Him to be an active force emanating from The Father. They also deny the full deity of Jesus considering Him to be "a god" and a created being instead of being eternally co-existent with The Father.

Mormons on the other hand are clearly Henotheistic in the fact that they definitely believe in the existence of many Gods though they only acknowledge one. This belief also includes the possibility and hope of personal exaltation (become a god) provided they are male and meet the necessary requirements.

Further Mormons also believe Jesus was a created being and relegate Him to the status of "Eldest Brother" in the pre-mortality (pre-existent state). They also believe Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer in addition to being the elder spirit brother of all of mankind in what they refer to as the "pre-existence".

The "pre-existence" is the Mormon belief that all humans existed in a spiritual state as literal spirit offspring of God and an unnamed spirit mother before being physically created by human parents.

In spite of what I believe are their many doctrinal flaws JW's adhere MUCH more closely to the Word of God than do the Mormons.

*In the interest of full disclosure I have to admit I studied with the JW's for years before I became a Christian.

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1. The JW's are far more knowledgeable about the Bible than the LDS kids.
2. JW's are out to actually convert. LDS kids are out to cement their beliefs by having to defend them in public.
3. One has to know their Bible to refute JW misconceptions; that's not true with the LDS kids.
4. Adult JW's are the main door-to-door participants; few LDS adults are involved.
5. JW's find some Biblical support for their core beliefs. LDS kids find none.
6. JW doctrine is somewhat believable; LDS doctrine is not.
7. You can reach as LDS kid with the truth; you cannot reach the JW.

Both are, of course, wrong on their Biblical views, as evidenced by both having to write their own 'Bible.' Cordially, Skip.
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What I find interesting about the LDS is their view of preexistence of souls and their proxy baptism. Whatever your opinions in this is, these are two very beautiful and very ancient views once held by ancient Christians. Origen believed in the prexistence of souls.

They actually have more in common with mainstream Christianity then the JW's do. If pressed to attend one of their churches, I would not even know the difference if I was at a LDS church from a traditional church. I would know immediately I was not at a Church in a Kingdom Hall of the JW
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Whatever your opinions in this is, these are two very beautiful and very ancient views once held by ancient Christians.
Also very unbiblical views, which makes them wrong. Moreover, their 'beauty' does not justify the nutty theology of the LDS church.

They actually have more in common with mainstream Christianity then the JW's do. If pressed to attend one of their churches, I would not even know the difference if I was at a LDS church from a traditional church. I would know immediately I was not at a Church in a Kingdom Hall of the JW
Which is irrelevant. Cordially, Skip.
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