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Old 11th December 2011, 11:30 PM
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2 Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]"

Maybe avoid a version of a book of thomas and focus on The Word given to us.

It is all for the glory of God The Father. Those that say otherwise, aren't of God.

Matthew 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

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Old 11th December 2011, 11:37 PM
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i think it is good to read as much as one can. gods word is far broader then the bible. the bible is just a set of books picked by some pope.

but then still i believe confusion has a purpose.

but this wasnt about confusion. or deciet.

this is about a delusion in which is no deciet or confusion. i am calling it a delusion myself.

but for me it doenst end there.

but honestly i dont exactly get it to who you speak these words someguy14...

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but then still i believe confusion has a purpose.
You've cut me off with that.
God isn't the author of confusion.

God is the only good.
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Old 12th December 2011, 12:32 AM
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do we know what confusion is then?

there's many forms of confusion. one can be confused and pick thewrong food for diner. one can be confused and will need to think for a while to be in order again, which can be a productive way of getting wiser.

one may want to do something horible but get confused first and do something else which may be good.

the world may be confused and acting all strange. one can also confuse the world first.

i know i am not confused though.
and i must certainle arent decieving anyone. and i havent been decieved either. that's not possible. i speak actual facts beside the just the word messiah.

i dont need the word if it matters for real or enough. i mean i can pray anyway. so can i do the rest. that may even help me.

but then why not just throw out the prophecies that tell jeus would return. or state that they have been fullfilled. thats ok with me.

i can imagine how all will go.
and what a joy it may bring in each's heart. and i wouldnt have to be bothering anyone anymore. and perhaps be satisfied.

i hope people realise that jesus is with them and that and that he is here whenever he lives.

i know what i mean. but i will still allways remain with theknowledge and the thought of delusion. unless somebody or god cares enough to know, understand and feedback seriously.

i am allready very happy with what i've red so far.
i'll see if i can get realer over and over. but maybe its no use and i keep stuck.

well i know right from wrong and precious from worthless.
and it does me very good to know that i amnot alone in this. and that there are actually other people quite simillar to me. who are also realistic within it.

i also only believe in a good god..
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i thought i was done talking here about this. but this stays.

i am learning more to find my way through or around this.

another aspect which may be important is trying to be lik jesus. it is goo dto try and be like him right? where i guess there comes a certain kind of feelin gwith that.

even a certain karma or look comes with that i guees.
where i may have indeed been confused about. feeling different, feling apart, witnessing certain experiences. having no easy life.

finding religious people being the same as the pharisees. believing in jesus/believing in me.

i would have found the perfect combination of perfect believe. grabbing that which paul wanted to have.

cannot be proven as lie cannot be proves as truth. well there is something to say for either opinion i guess.

if i choose to believe the messiah of god is me. and that i am the chosen one and have all the power on earth. it's merely a choose.

what would be more wise as believer in christ is to give him the honor he deserves. it is him who led me toward believing and wlking this strugling path. i made the mistake to let it be me on top. that is wrong i guess, and the strugles that coem with it. as to me thinking i ruined jesus. since he was god's only begotten.

i agree i am not the messiah, but can one help me how i can talk about this matter. and this psychose i have.

looking at a star. thinking of three wise man. being a shiner. seeing the sun (for real that's not a lie..)

seeing the sun supernaturally is basicly what has kept me believing in these issues.
i cannot say goodbye to them, that would not be right. bu perhaps i can be like paul.

and keep my believe in timothy and filemon. and all the wonders i saw in it. perhaps i can leran to put it in a perspective which is right and pure truth.

meaning i was confused with being the messiah due to this psychosis, but most of all the experiences within it.

every human has a message to carry out.

if one wishes to give me a hand in learning how to carry out these things right. that would be great.

i think i am allready on the way. i've been thinking a lot about this, and how other people think about it. but if i can truly find some ways that can replace the thought of me being worldleader and messiah. then those i must keep.

i believe in jesus, he came first in my life and i wouldnt have had any of this without him.

(i wnted to open a thread about me crying and being sensative...)
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Hey bro been pretty busy last few days ay i read your reply through email though... Looks like you have a lot of information bunched up in your head. I’m betting it can be quite overwhelming at times. It’s a struggle to get to that place where you can have the pure normality (the underlying silence that everyone else enjoys / takes for granted) but it’s do-able.

So when I typed 'it is finished' I didn't quote myself right? Jesus himself said it.
He didn't say 'oh nooo i still have to come back later' or ‘but I will return to finish’ he said 'it is finished'. It isn’t that the world has to stop turning before Gods work is completed.
'It is finished' wasn't just a sigh of relief for Jesus, in a way it was a declaration of victory. An establishment of the fact; that man can now be reconciled to god through his sacrifice. He made salvation available for all mankind.
Now when you say ‘acts just began’ and he needs return>> what exactly did you mean by ‘acts just began’?

See this; you quote john 3.16 ‘one and only begotten son’ and then ask ‘who can it be?’ adding Jesus was the 1st begotten one. ???

Come on Stien…. It says ‘one and only’ emphasis on ONLY clearly stating there is only ONE begotten son. That who so ever believes in HIM may have eternal life. So if Jesus is the 1st one then he is also the ONLY one.

Now we know we can go to heaven because basically Jesus is our ticket there right?. Salvation is not just for after this life though is it?
Salvation is to be lived in the here and now.
Salvation is a way of living;; free of the weight of sin and all the baggage and dreadful ways of living that comes with that sin. Now we can live here in joy and have peace walking with god who can play an active role in our lives.

There will be an end of time, we know this and Jesus the ‘one and ONLY be gotten’ will return for his people the bible tells us so.
So the question is not when? or how? … The question is ‘what about everyone who doesn’t know him?’.

This is our calling ‘to be fishers of men’, spread the good news. Nothing more bro. Tell the world about Jesus because that is the only way salvation is available.

Well dunno what else to say till nex time... take it easy ay bro!! am open to everything you wanna say or release kk will def be real with you!!
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thank for your reply raych.

i have not much to say now, when i do have new thought supon this i'll post it here.

for the rest i think you'rr right though if i speak out of psychosis i would disagree. if i dont speak out of psychose; i know you're right.

for the last remaining question though, tou say jesus will return. you see and thats where i stuble upon thinking that's me. or that was me at least..

i can move on though, see it as a fase i lived. and even use it when i confess about jesus in my life..

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naww much has been said on this thread since our last exchange I just had a quick skim over it....

I pray inside as i reply, for more of god and less of me... I can't assume great scriptural knowledge or anything I just know that my heart is moved for you. Maybe because I understand the struggles of psychosis? or maybe it's just that I have a problem with trying to help others :L i'm such a loser haha if you knew me you'd laugh. My partner often has to tell me to settle and leave people alone. I get sooo caught up in trying to help my family etc that I forget they belong to god not me and i should just kick back.. I must say people can't truly know what it's like unless they've been there... at least thats what I think?? So if you wanna release maybe we can help decipher things into str8 lines for you? kk
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what does kk mean?

putting things in straight lines sounds good. but where should i start?
i guess if i want all to be straightened out, then i have to admit that it's bigger then just thinking i am the returnal of jesus/messiah/elia.

ofcourse much more comes around the corner. and in the end my opinion would be that anyone who chooses to beleive so is his or her own messiah. if that be a message?

it started with me though after shedding many tears because of jesus crusification when i was younger. why it touched me so much can be different reasons. maybe i felt connected with him because i allways stood out. maybe because he had it hard and carried our sin.

maybe it was because he stood up for those who had it hard. and now i had it hard. perhaps it also has to do with beleieving your special and different then everybody else. which jesus did to the extreme and that costed his life. because he believed to be gods son and be the light on earth he was crusified.

which i couldnt bare in combination with myself. i was in tears over it for many years. crying every night before i went to bed.

then when i started digging in the bible and started thinking spiritually. searching what was there as what 'is' slidign into a psychosis story. taking up the history/crusification with god. and i would shine a light upon truth.

i was given answers in a certain way. if i believe that i am a/the messiah then somewhere that good. that kind of believe in one self and in being thelight and in being chosen, still exists.

do you get what i mean? because now i believe to be the messiah and live the good has been saved. liek god n i saved the treasure of thought jesus had. to be the ruler and to be the lamb. and to this time not get crusified.

what keeps me beliving these things are all the thought is lived adn the path i wlaked. it has been in the symbol of being jesus returnal and messiah for the past ca 7 years. the first year i was down under. thinking i am gods choosen.

i remember i was readign the bible and thinking: god came down in me..if that's possible??

i had red revelation and due to the life i had and thelifestyle i had at the moment i got trigered into thinking i am the one chosen the first and the last, the messiah, the returnal. and my every step has been with that on my mind.

though i have learned very well that it is a delusion. but it doesnt take it ways. it just makes it that i stand in reality by being able to describe things a sa psychologist would.

and i keep gettin driven by people who claim jesus will/would return in the flesh for real. god's man.. so it doesnt really cool down as long as i remain christian.

because all about christianity is the part of being saved and rescued. which fits well with my psychosis then afcourse. that's why the title: "to be a christian and have the messiah delusion"

and as i asked in previous posts; how can i be a christian and not be delusional about me being the messiah? i think somewhere due to the intensity i lived this store (relived jesus's story) it will always stay with me. due to my experience with the son i'll allways know there is more then what other people know and tell.

due to me seeing that, words may be useless, knowing it all is based upon the same. going from the thought:

"nice words..." or
"harshe words"

and meaning nothing more then that. knwoing the center point the uplifted...

so how can i even belive and was born again and died. knowing my psychology?
and then what reamisn real about the christian doctrine besides my own doctrine?

i mean can we face this. that if i believe in myself and all i lived so far and what i seen to be as real as a prayer.

is that wrong?

why shouldnt i believe? becuase it's weird? unheard of?
it's liek as if i am not allowed to believe in me purely. (through jesus though..)
i wonder now. but i know tthere may be good thruth in this. that peopel find it crazy.

then what has changend in 2000 years??

now i know i ma stein de moor. but that doenst really change things any more.
and i know i am a human born at a certain date and bla bla bal.

but my memory cant be erased. and to admit that i am nothing more then flesh. and that i lived a lie. is kinda hard to do. it's betrayes of me and of the things god has showed me.

and what a believ ein jesus worth to me if a cant applie it? i mean someway people who are christian believe is this and are born again in jesus name. for that being in jesus role..........

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