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I have heard that a very conservative interpretation of Christ's words on divorce is to say that He allowed for divorce in the case where a bride is found not to be a virgin, and that otherwise, He did not allow for it. The reason is Christ said, "except it be for fornication".

It seems that John Piper holds to a similar view. He doesn't say anything about divorce in the case where a man marries a woman and finds out she is not a virgin. He gives the example of Joseph and Mary, where Joseph at first had in mind to put her away privately, thinking she had given away her virginity to someone else while being betrothed to him. This is a short video. Any comments?


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I've just told DH that he has Biblical grounds to divorce me. He responded with ''yes dear''. Oldest daughter said ''wasn't that written like, 500 years ago, like Shakespearean times?'' I don't know which annoys me more, excessive use of the word 'like', or the fact she thinks the Bible authors were peers of Shakespeare.
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According to Piper, divorce is only acceptable if a woman is not a virgin when she gets married. Why is female virginity upon marriage, so important?
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Originally Posted by Athene View Post
According to Piper, divorce is only acceptable if a woman is not a virgin when she gets married. Why is female virginity upon marriage, so important?
I don't agree with Piper at all. I was not a virgin when I married either. I think the importance, though, comes from the fact that fornication is indeed a sin. God did not intend for sex to occur outside of marriage in anyway. I don't think that a lack of virginity means that a divorce should occur, though. I think adultery is a far more justifiable reason than finding out your spouse wasn't a virgin. That's nonsense, imo.
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Originally Posted by Athene View Post
I've just told DH that he has Biblical grounds to divorce me. He responded with ''yes dear''. Oldest daughter said ''wasn't that written like, 500 years ago, like Shakespearean times?'' I don't know which annoys me more, excessive use of the word 'like', or the fact she thinks the Bible authors were peers of Shakespeare.
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Originally Posted by Athene View Post
According to Piper, divorce is only acceptable if a woman is not a virgin when she gets married. Why is female virginity upon marriage, so important?
Just to clarify, Piper did not go into detail and explicitly say it was about whether a woman was a virgin at marriage. I mentioned that because I inferred from what he said that that was what he was referring to.

Piper gave the example of Joseph and Mary, where Joseph wanted to put Mary away, thinking she had lost her virginity. He may not even have in mind going through with consumating the marriage. I will edit my original post.

The passage about stoning a woman who was not a virgin at marriage is a specific case. The man has paid the bride price for virgins to the father of the bride. Then he finds her not a maid.

Here, there was some deception involved. The young woman apparently does not speak up and say that she had lost her virginity.

Priests were not allowed to marry widows from other tribes or 'defiled women'--as one translation puts it. I suppose a 'defiled woman' could marry, but without the bride price for virgins.

So I don't think if one takes this teaching of Christ to refer to situations where a man pays a bride price and finds out that his wife is not a virgin as a reason for the man to hold a 'divorce card' for the rest of the marriage. In the Old Testament case, apparently the groom has the issue settled right away.

Something important to note about these passages is how much God values virginity.
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Originally Posted by Created2Write View Post
I don't agree with Piper at all. I was not a virgin when I married either. I think the importance, though, comes from the fact that fornication is indeed a sin. God did not intend for sex to occur outside of marriage in anyway. I don't think that a lack of virginity means that a divorce should occur, though. I think adultery is a far more justifiable reason than finding out your spouse wasn't a virgin. That's nonsense, imo.
I agree 100% If my husband wanted to divorce me because I wasn't a virgin I would help him pack his bags.
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Just to clarify, Piper did not go into detail and explicitly say it was about whether a woman was a virgin at marriage. I mentioned that because I inferred from what he said that that was what he was referring to.

Piper gave the example of Joseph and Mary, where Joseph wanted to put Mary away, thinking she had lost her virginity. He may not even have in mind going through with consumating the marriage. I will edit my original post.

The passage about stoning a woman who was not a virgin at marriage is a specific case. The man has paid the bride price for virgins to the father of the bride. Then he finds her not a maid.

Here, there was some deception involved. The young woman apparently does not speak up and say that she had lost her virginity.

Priests were not allowed to marry widows from other tribes or 'defiled women'--as one translation puts it. I suppose a 'defiled woman' could marry, but without the bride price for virgins.

So I don't think if one takes this teaching of Christ to refer to situations where a man pays a bride price and finds out that his wife is not a virgin as a reason for the man to hold a 'divorce card' for the rest of the marriage. In the Old Testament case, apparently the groom has the issue settled right away.

Something important to note about these passages is how much God values virginity.
Well, female virginity anyway. It's seems silly to me that God would be so squeamish about women who lost their virginity before marriage.
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Well, female virginity anyway. It's seems silly to me that God would be so squeamish about women who lost their virginity before marriage.
Perhaps your values are not the same as God's on this issue. God values sexual purity, which is not popular in our culture.


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