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View Poll Results: Does God love atheists and heathens?
Yes god loves everyone. 13 72.22%
No, god does not love non-christians. 5 27.78%
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Unread 8th November 2011, 07:58 PM
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Does God love atheists and heathens?

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Luke 5:32
I have not come to invite good people but sinners to change their hearts and lives
Romans 5:8
But God demonstrated his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
So the answer is yes, God does love atheists and heathens, however, not in a way where they can just disbelieve and randomly go to Heaven, but so that they might one day before their death, recognize who God is and change their lives (not to follow a list of dos and donts but to simply stop sinning and live free of sin).
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I love how with the current results, God definitely loves atheists and heathens.
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I was taught that god does not love anyone but the elect.
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from where or whom were you taught?
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Yes!

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
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As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you.
But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit--just as it has taught you, remain in him.

1 John 2:27
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Originally Posted by ChristianT View Post
from where or whom were you taught?
Westminster Confession and Synod of Dordt specifically. God calls some and damns the rest.
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Proverbs 16:4
The LORD works out everything for his own ends--even the wicked for a day of disaster.
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Originally Posted by seekingagnostic32 View Post
God calls some and damns the rest.
The problem with the idea of the elect is this:
Think of all the years from creation (if you don't believe in this, take a quick assumption... if you believe in secular or even theistic evolution, the dates are much longer). Now of the 6000 (+/-) years of human existence, how many people have lived? one can guess billions, trillions, etc. But in Revelation, John said that he only saw 144 000 of the elect. So therefore, the odds of any of us being the elect are almost if not zero. If we were not destined for grace, and we can not receive grace by a faith and life dedicated to Jesus and a life-change (change of sin), then why doesn't God just condemn us now? what would be the point in letting us live if we could not be saved from our sin?

These are real questions, so please answer or provide questions if you want.
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The problem with the idea of the elect is this:
Think of all the years from creation (if you don't believe in this, take a quick assumption... if you believe in secular or even theistic evolution, the dates are much longer). Now of the 6000 (+/-) years of human existence, how many people have lived? one can guess billions, trillions, etc. But in Revelation, John said that he only saw 144 000 of the elect. So therefore, the odds of any of us being the elect are almost if not zero. If we were not destined for grace, and we can not receive grace by a faith and life dedicated to Jesus and a life-change (change of sin), then why doesn't God just condemn us now? what would be the point in letting us live if we could not be saved from our sin?

These are real questions, so please answer or provide questions if you want.
These are all good reasons why I'm not a believer at this point. I could suppose that god lets man live on earth so that he has a little bit of joy and fun in his life before going to hell. There is some merit in that.
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