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Possible contraception link to HIV spread in Africa

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Originally Posted by Michie

Possible contraception link to HIV spread in Africa

HIV-negative women who use hormonal contraception injections have nearly twice the risk of contracting HIV, while the HIV-negative male partners of infected women also face an increased risk.

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O i love this too.

“Basically, neither condoms nor drugs are the solution, especially in Africa, where I have done most of my professional work,” he said.


The New Paradigm Fund advocates “behavior prevention strategies” such as changing sexual behavior or reinforcing positive behaviors, instead of advocating more condoms, testing or drugs.
It is a “big mistake” for AIDS funding to go to technology-based prevention strategies and to keep that funding from religious organizations, he added.
Most people become infected through having multiple and concurrent sexual partners and by starting sexual intercourse at an earlier age, he explained.
Religious organizations are “closer to the real solution” in advocating fidelity to one partner at a time and delaying sexual debut than the technology promoted by the United Nations, the United States, the World Bank, the European Union and other global leaders, he said.

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....and? Go on, say it. Say that the Bishops who have signed off on this instruction Catholic hospital are wrong and that /you/ know better. You've been a Catholic long enough to know that the Catechism is not the only source of Magesterial teaching. Look up a thread called "Contraception can't be an intrinsic evil" or something like that, Davidnic explains it pretty well.

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Originally Posted by MikeK

....and? Go on, say it. Say that the Bishops who have signed off on this instruction Catholic hospital are wrong and that /you/ know better. You've been a Catholic long enough to know that the Catechism is not the only source of Magesterial teaching. Look up a thread called "Contraception can't be an intrinsic evil" or something like that, Davidnic explains it pretty well.

Unless or until the Pope says its hunky dorey and he divulges this into the catechism for all the faithful and or writing an encyclical - then i dont care what a website says.

Furthermore; abortificant is the only way contraception work.

Name a single contraception that doesnt abort, and or causes a complete a barrier.
We went through this.

Contraception is intrinsically evil


Also, fwiw - if we allowed Bishops to superimpose their ideals above the Teacher of the Church and magisterium teaching - a charism that belongs to the Pope - then we could be led into heresy.

Bishops of the past have been known to teach heresy.
Including Arian, Monophysites, Monothelitism, Donatism, Nestorianism [from a Patriarch no less]
etc etc etc

So unless or until a council concluded with the Pope deciding on this or an encyclical, i take this as an opinion based on possibly corrupted or MIS-informed information given to the Bishops.
Not necessarily the fault of the Bishops - but human error in the information.

Take it as you will.

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"A website"?

Nevermind.

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I remember being penalized for bringing up stuff like this in any form of debate at the Catholic section, but I guess so be it, might as well enlighten this guy.

Catholics are not mindless followers of people that happen to be in charge, this includes the Pope himself. As the poster stated above, we have to have it in formal writing before we'll consider it as being the law of the land. It's a sick manner of teaching that is floating around anti Catholic circles that point to this flawed understanding of us., It's wrong, it's incorrect, and it's showing the sources of these people and authors to be in grave error, one so far as breaking the commandment, thou shalt not bear false witness.

I can tell with Mike, he's from that side which believes the lies about what they say we believe, and is only here to challenge it all in debate, not all interested in actually doing his own research into what we "really" believe.

This is only the starting point, this list he'll reveal to believe about us is long, and it's false, either directly, or either through interpertively, and he has, and will continue to show his ignorance on that matter as he continues to dialog in the manner he has been. Thus, we go back to these forums need to not be selective along who they penalize, and who they do not, less they reveal themselves as having an anti Catholic bias.

Any web site that has the Catholic label is never at all considered an authority, in fact, many of them with that label are just the opposite, especially with sspv and sspx sites, which are nothing more then anti Catholics which tell the public they represent the devout, when the reality is, they are wolves in sheeps clothing and are totally against the devout.

Enough has been said here to point him the right direction, but I have to convey, if he has that much genuine interest into what we believe, we need to point him to some .com's that he can begin honest research upon with, not merely reduce it to some online forum or fringe web site or book.

People that are pro contreception don't realize at all the implecations they are making, and I'll point out some of the "facts" here.

Early "pill" forms, which arrised in the 60's, were rather imperfect, as in not very accurate, yet they didn't do too much damage to the body. Late in that decade, and to this day, they have been far more potent, causing many illnesses and an outbreak of cancer among users. Do you recall breast cancer as being such a huge thing, pre 60's? They were far more rare back then because the pill was not invented yet, the correlation is direct in that manner.

The pill also has taken an even more invasive feature, it pre-aborts the fetus, as in, it kills the egg "after" it has been fertilized, this is a form of abortion people. Then the morning after pill, don't get me started there.

NFP, which has been practiced since the beginning of mankind, works in harmony with nature, through analyzing the womans cycles, and refraining at the proper times. The window for the most part is rather short for most, so a little self control and restraint shouldn't pose too much of a problem. Sure, it's not perfect, but it's track record is formidable, and there are zero adverse side affects.

This is not to say NFP is another form of contraception, there is of course, always that chance the cycle will change, or for what ever reason, and the couple ends up with a new life. The fact that the couple are intimate, open to life, is an absolutely different experience then one that's blowing off steam.

Adding onto this, when you are taking the pill, or using any other then the natural form, you are in a sense, trying to play God. Where it's you that chooses who lives and who dies. How can you at all know this, much less my other point, of adding to his kingdom.

This is the truth of what we believe, in this case, and the rest, and why we stand adamant against birth control. We used to stand united on this, all denominations, until the 1930's, now if something has changed so recently, and that we now see the results, and we now are re-educated, what's preventing you from talking to "your" authorities and powers that be to change things back???

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Here me out, I'll be banned soon enough!

You do know who the USCCB is and what their job is and who they report to, yes? You should research what the Bishops who opined on the USCCB directive on emergency contraception has to say about it and why you're wrong.

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The USCCB was also very specific, it must be said. It must also be said that the USCCB's statement could be incorrect. There are moral theologians who are perfectly orthodox who have difficulty accepting that statement without grave reservations, or who reject it outright. I really wish the CDF would clarify...

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Let us, therefore, forget for a while the technical discussions about the Church, its mission, its methods. Not that these discussions are wrong or unnecessary—but they can be useful and meaningful only within a fundamental context, and that context is the “great joy” from which everything else in Christianity developed and acquired its meaning."

---Fr. Alexander Schmemann, “For the Life of the World.”

Very specific indeed. Only in the case of a sexual assault, when the medical personnel understood that the woman had not yet become pregnant, could the contraceptive be administered.

I'm not aware of any moral theologians who reject the USCCB's statement outright, I'd like to read what they have to say, especially if they are cannon lawyers or Bishops or Cardinals in opposition.

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