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Old 1st October 2011, 10:36 AM
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Old 1st October 2011, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by gonesimera View Post
I said do you want to start a thread on defining the meaning of what is wrong !
Oh that one is easy. Just go through one of the old examination of consciences (my old pre-Vatican II missal had one, and I bet some of the internet sites--like Fisheaters--have one as well.)
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Old 1st October 2011, 10:40 AM
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Oh that one is easy. Just go through one of the old examination of consciences (my old pre-Vatican II missal had one, and I bet some of the internet sites--like Fisheaters--have one as well.)
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Originally Posted by simonpeter View Post
I do not wish to offend Catholics, but could I please know why the subject of abortion seems to be most important for Catholics? There are already many problems for the living - poverty, disease, wars etc. Why is it Catholics focus exclusively on abortion?

Again, I am not attacking your beliefs, just wondering why the unborn are more important than those living in the midst of pain and misery.
This might open your eyes to what is REALLY going on the world...but once abortion is considered - unimportant and acceptable - the rest of corruption is led in.

This was the start of the apathetic, and corrupt generation.
The results - well, eventually evil will if it is not already consuming the world.

Go after babies - the rest shall come.
[insert dramatic movie music]

I am not kidding btw. Abortion is the end of us all.
That aside - its unnecesary murder to the most innocent.
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Originally Posted by simonpeter View Post
I do not wish to offend Catholics, but could I please know why the subject of abortion seems to be most important for Catholics? There are already many problems for the living - poverty, disease, wars etc. Why is it Catholics focus exclusively on abortion?

Again, I am not attacking your beliefs, just wondering why the unborn are more important than those living in the midst of pain and misery.
Quite simply you couldn't be more wrong. while most or at least alot of Catholics are abhorred by the killling of defenceless children we also devote alot of time helping people alot less fortunate than us in the 3rd World.

there are countless Catholic relief organisations doing work all across Africa, asia and in Latin America...
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Old 1st October 2011, 06:04 PM
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...And when is the last time we had a thread about, say, the violence in Darfur? I think rape, murder and pillaging fall in the same category.
If you think abortion is in the same category as rape and murder, why are you pro-choice?
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Originally Posted by Antigone View Post
...And when is the last time we had a thread about, say, the violence in Darfur? I think rape, murder and pillaging fall in the same category.
Just because you don't care about abortion doesn't mean we don't care about rape, murder and pillaging. Apparently it's possible for us to not only be pro-life as regards to abortion, but everything else at the same time. And I see no evidence that Catholics aren't concerned about such plights all over the world. As S.Ilvio pointed out, there are oodles of Catholic organizations around the world addressing problems JUST LIKE THAT, who are funded by no small amount by our donations and support.

And for the record, I don't think I've ever seen you setup a thread about the violence in Darfur, so you really shouldn't talk.
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And I see no evidence that Catholics aren't concerned about such plights all over the world. As S.Ilvio pointed out, there are oodles of Catholic organizations around the world addressing problems JUST LIKE THAT, who are funded by no small amount by our donations and support.

Definitely. The idea that Catholics are not concerned about poverty, hunger, etc is odd...I can attest first hand that that is not true.

When my family was in a dire financial hardship, it was a Catholic run food bank that helped us out with food and other needed items. One of the two homeless shelters in my city is Catholic. Those are just a couple of examples in my local area. I am sure that it would be easy to find many more examples in all parts of the world.
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Originally Posted by Bryne View Post
Definitely. The idea that Catholics are not concerned about poverty, hunger, etc is odd...I can attest first hand that that is not true.

When my family was in a dire financial hardship, it was a Catholic run food bank that helped us out with food and other needed items. One of the two homeless shelters in my city is Catholic. Those are just a couple of examples in my local area. I am sure that it would be easy to find many more examples in all parts of the world.
In Ireland the Society of St Vincent de Paul has a massive programme in place that helps folk out with food, clothing and at Christmas rtime buying presents for children in families on the breadline. All funded by personal churchgate donations...
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Thanks for posting... the assembly I attend has a HUGE pro-life movement.. we are very involved in 40 days of prayer... so much so that we have prayer 24 hours a day 7 days a week to eliminate abortion.

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