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19th September 2011, 01:43 PM
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Reps: 9,456,647,263,888,808 (power: 9,456,647,263,890) | | | Giving to Our Churches Malachi 3.10 says, "Bring all the tithes into the storehouse so there will be enough food in my Temple. If you do,” says the Lord of Heaven’s Armies, “I will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you won’t have enough room to take it in! Try it! Put me to the test!"
This is the only place in the Bible where God tells us to test Him. Wow. Testing God? The point I want to make about this passage has a premise. We must tithe, which is giving 10% of our income. It's simple to calculate and Jesus confirmed the use of the tithe in the New Testament.
But my greater point today is that our tithes need to go into the storehouse. In the Old Testament, the storehouse was the Temple. Modern day application is that we should give our tithes to our own churches. It's not that we shouldn't give to other ministries, because we should. But our initial 10% should go to our churches.
Most churches are faithful to use God's money wisely. This includes using money for missions and disciple making. I do think churches fail to do enough to help the poor, but that's an article for another day. But local churches cannot do these things if they don't have the financial resources to do them.
So what do you think? Do you believe in tithing? Do you believe that the storehouse is your own local church? I'd love to hear from you. | 
19th September 2011, 11:17 PM
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Reps: 113,696,341,272,594,576 (power: 113,696,341,272,598) | | Originally Posted by makingchristiandisciples Malachi 3.10 says, "Bring all the tithes into the storehouse so there will be enough food in my Temple. If you do,” says the Lord of Heaven’s Armies, “I will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you won’t have enough room to take it in! Try it! Put me to the test!"
This is the only place in the Bible where God tells us to test Him. Wow. Testing God? The point I want to make about this passage has a premise. We must tithe, which is giving 10% of our income. It's simple to calculate and Jesus confirmed the use of the tithe in the New Testament.
But my greater point today is that our tithes need to go into the storehouse. In the Old Testament, the storehouse was the Temple. Modern day application is that we should give our tithes to our own churches. It's not that we shouldn't give to other ministries, because we should. But our initial 10% should go to our churches.
Most churches are faithful to use God's money wisely. This includes using money for missions and disciple making. I do think churches fail to do enough to help the poor, but that's an article for another day. But local churches cannot do these things if they don't have the financial resources to do them.
So what do you think? Do you believe in tithing? Do you believe that the storehouse is your own local church? I'd love to hear from you.
you said that Jesus confirmed the use of tithe in the New testament. could you show this confirmation from scripture? and I certainly hope you are not referring to :
Matthew 23:23 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
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for we have to know who is being addressed in scriptures, to have the right contents and here and in luke 11:42 Jesus was speaking the SCRIBES and PHARISEES which were under the Law. I guess we would point here that Machachi is also of the old testament, but in
Galatians 5:1-3 1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. 2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
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let me change one word here in verse 3 without changing what it means but so that I can show you what titheing preaching pastors do by putting their flock under the law of titheing. 3. For I testify again that every man that tithes, that he is a debtor to do the whole law!
if you are a pastor and you preach titheing, then you must take all the adulterers and adultresses in your church, outside the church and stone them to death. you have put your flock under the Law. so you must be a debtor to do the whole law. you have to teach your flock to take their unrulely children outside and beat them within an inch of their life. oh come on it can't be that serious, look at verse 4-8.
Galatians 5:4-8 4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. 7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth? 8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
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this persuasion to go back under the law is not of God, if something is not for God it is against Him. you teach people to go back under the law, and say that we can test God according to old testament scriptures but yet by new testament scriptures, when someone drinks poison or handles a snake you call them demonic. This is what Jesus taught that the widow cast in all of HER WANTS, not her obligation of being under the law. if 10% is what you want to give then give, but don't give it cause it is law and please God forbid that you teach it as an obligation of law and put others back under the law, where they would be under obligation to do the whole law and cause them to fall from grace.
__________________ we don't need great faith, we need faith in a great God: the size of a mustard seed will do!! He is no fool; who gives up what he can not keep, to gain; what he does not have
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20th September 2011, 01:16 PM
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Reps: 21,827,228,723,093,552 (power: 21,827,228,723,097) | | | Malachi 3:7 (KJV) “Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ORDINANCES, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?”
ORDINANCES NAILED TO THE CROSS:
Colossians 2:14 (KJV) “Blotting out the handwriting of ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;”
NO CURSE TODAY:
Galatians 3:13 “Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us…”
WE ARE ALREADY BLESSED WITH ALL SPIRITUAL BLESSINGS
Ephesians 1:3 (KJV) “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:”
FALLEN FROM GRACE
Galatians 5:4 (KJV) “Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”
Romans 3:24 (KJV) “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:”
Romans 6:14 (KJV) “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.”
If you understand the above scripture, you will see that the tithing ordinances (laws, commands) were nailed to the cross. You will also see that Christians are not under any curse. You will also see that once you become a born-again believer, you will get ALL blessings. You will see that if you believe you are paying the Biblical tithe referenced in Malachi 3, you have fallen from grace. | 
1st October 2011, 08:08 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by makingchristiandisciples The point I want to make about this passage has a premise. We must tithe, which is giving 10% of our income. It's simple to calculate and Jesus confirmed the use of the tithe in the New Testament.
First of all: tithe was never the 10% of the income. It was the 10% of the produce of the land. All other profitable activities were free from tithing. Fishermen did not tihe. Soldiers, workers, carpenters, comerciants, smiths, bakers, musicians, etc. etc, never tithe. Tithe was never about money.
Second: Jesus did strongly opose to christian tithe; same as all the Apostles and Paul in special. Tithing goes against all christian doctrine and against all the NT. | 
1st October 2011, 09:58 PM
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