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Unread 9th September 2011, 04:49 PM
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when God says yes and man says no

Greetings brothers and sisters in Christ.
i am struggling at the moment. I have had a clear calling on my life for about 5 years now, and over that time the Lord has lead me through life's circumstances, in order to strengthen me for the fulfillment of that calling within the ministry.
Over the last year, the calling to the ministry has deepened and grown, to the point where I have felt compelled 'step out of the boat' and walk forward. On discussing this with my Minister, he advised me to attend a short conference held by the denomination for those who are enquiring into a mnistry. I attended, and with continued prayer, and leading from God I finally applied to enter the first step in the enquiry/discernment process of the denomination. It was not a step i took lightly, and did not move forward until I was absolutely confident, that God wanted me to do it.
The denomination have a rule that to be eligable for selection, or to proceed forward you must have been a member of that denomination for 3 years. However, that waive that rule in certain circumstances and ask you to appeal for the rule to be waived, in writing. I have not been a member of the denomination for 3 years (an impossibility as I relocated to where I live now, 2 years ago), so I appealed and submmitted a piece of writing in support of my application.
My Minister also supported my application in writing to the selection panel.
The outcome was that the panel titled 'Recruitment Task Group' refused to waive the rule and I was turned down as I had not been a member for 3 years. They have told me to reapply in two years time.
I am a mature christian, born again, and bible believeing. I can testify to God's prompting, leading which resulted in applying for Ministry in this denomination(which was as much of a surprise to me)!.
Now i feel disappointed, disheartened, and disillusioned. God has confirmed to me since this decision that I heared correctly from Him, and that I was obedient to Him in applying and responding to His call into the Ministry.
My questions are these:
Can there be times when God says yes, but man places a stumbling block in the way?
Can man made rules and regulations stifle and suffucate God's calling on someone's life, i.e legalism?
Where do I go from here?
It seems to me that in the Bible when God called, commisioned and sent, it was unbelivers who said no. My concern is that these men have placed membership of their denomination above identifying, equipping and helping someone with a true calling to serve and minister? and therefore not acting in accordance with scripture.
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Unread 27th September 2011, 10:54 AM
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Brother I can relate to your situation as many years ago I was confronted with a similar situation. If you know in your heart that the Lord has called you and the denomination you are associated with is a stumbling block then there is a possibility that the Lord does not want you in that denomination. One of the issues Jesus had with the religious leadership was the rules that they burdened people with that had nothing to do with the will of God.

My recommendation would be first seek guidance from the Holy Spirit as to where He wants you. He may lead you into a Bible college that will then possibly lead you into a different denomination or possibly a non denominational church. How much opposition did our Lord receive from the Jewish religious leadership? Don’t let man become a stumbling block to Gods will for your life, many pastors, missionaries and lay people have fallen into that trap, and trust me Satan will do all he can to sway you away from Gods will for your life.
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Reapply in two years and plant something new in the meantime .......a fresh expression, a new work with young people or whatever.
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Unread 9th October 2011, 03:29 PM
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thank you both for your replies.
can i ask you Blaine01, as you said you had a similair situation what was the outcome for you?
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Unread 10th October 2011, 10:51 AM
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can i ask you Blaine01, as you said you had a similair situation what was the outcome for you?
Sure, I was raised SDA including their schools. For me it became doctrinal issues I couldn’t accept any longer. So for the past thirty five years I went the non denominational rout. The Lord has blessed me tremendously and well beyond anything I deserve. Even after all these years I struggle with the legalism of my original education.
My advice to anyone that has been called into a ministry for the Lord is to allow him to open the doors he wants opened and close the others. The Lord doesn’t care about denomination; he cares about your willingness to follow His leadership. Always remember any ministry you become involved in no matter how successful it may become it is never your ministry, it is the Lords.
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Unread 10th October 2011, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by steve5 View Post
My questions are these:
Can there be times when God says yes, but man places a stumbling block in the way?
Only if God consents to that stumbling block. If God wants something now he gets it.

Can man made rules and regulations stifle and suffucate God's calling on someone's life, i.e legalism?
No. God's call does not go unanswered. If it is checked in one direction it will open in another. God's call is like a river; you can put a dam in its way, and that might slow things down a bit, but sooner or later it will find a way out.

Where do I go from here?
Treat the instructions you have been given as if they come from God himself. Submit to them, and obey them.

Ministry is not only about leading; it is also about being willing to accept God's will without whining, complaining or going off in a huff. I know you are not doing any of those things, but this is a testing time, and it is important. How you approach the coming two years will reveal how you will approach your ministry, when it comes.

It seems to me that in the Bible when God called, commisioned and sent, it was unbelivers who said no. My concern is that these men have placed membership of their denomination above identifying, equipping and helping someone with a true calling to serve and minister? and therefore not acting in accordance with scripture.
You have not been told no. You have been told not yet.

There is a difference.

God allows us to be told to wait when he knows that it will be for our spiritual benefit. If he really wanted you now, that would happen. Clearly, he wants you to learn something, and this is a time of teaching; it is up to you to work out what that lesson is, and learn it. Be grateful that they did not say no, and take the time to seek out what the lesson is that God has for you. Before we ever get to minister to others, we have to accept God ministering to us, and sometimes it is very painful indeed.

Remember, the 3 year rule is there to protect the congregation. It was put in place for a reason, and unless there is a very good reason to disregard it, they are right to keep to it. Respect the rule in the same way as you respect Nicene, and the ten commandments, and anything else from God. Perhaps instead of asking why you have not been seen as a special case, consider why you should be a special case; are you not a sinner like everyone else? Have you not been given great mercy and Grace already? Then why not wait 2 years in return; it is little enough to ask.

In other words, accept the authority of the church and don't rail against it. Otherwise, how can you expect anyone to accept your authority as a minister, when you get it? The two go together.

I wish you well.
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IMO, Catherineanne makes the most sense. I know you feel called to start NOW, but do you really think that the three year minimum as a member of the denomination is an unfair and arbitrary rule, meant to keep out well meaning potential ministers that just happen to be new to that church? If you really feel called to be a minister in that denomination now, then you should feel just as called in two years. And at that point you will be a respected member of the church and will know a lot more people there.
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Unread 18th October 2011, 02:49 PM
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thank you for your replies, they have helped me to reflect a lot on the issues.
just in response to accepting the decisions of that church/denomination as authorative from God.
The same denomination has just voted in their General Assembly to recongnise ministers in same sex relationships. Something contrary to God's Will and Word, so
In short, I do not accept all/every decision made within the denoimination as being from God. As we see in Acts, the Bereans even discerned the teachings of Paul the Apostle. It is clear that people in roles and positions of authority, and decision making within that denomination are not aligned with God's word, as were the Saducees and Pharisees of Jesus' day.
In answer to being seen as a special case, the denomination invite people to submit a supporting application if they have not been a member for 3 years, which is what I done. I did not spontaneouly submit a document stating why I should be considered for ministry now, ie making myself a special case.
You can be in a same sex relationship and recongnised and practice as a minister. You can have a genuine call and comission on your life from God and be told that as youv'e not been a member for 3 years, no thanks. Biblical & Just?? I dont think so.
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If you are involved in any church or denomination that will ordain a homosexual then I would strongly recommend seeking a good bible teaching church that lives by Gods ordnances and laws.

If you seek the Holy Spirits guidance He will lead you where He wants you. What I have found is that His leading will be confirmed through scripture, and through others. Just be completely open to Gods will for your life and you will do fine.

God Bless your desire to serve Him.
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Originally Posted by Blaine01 View Post
If you are involved in any church or denomination that will ordain a homosexual then I would strongly recommend seeking a good bible teaching church that lives by Gods ordnances and laws.

If you seek the Holy Spirits guidance He will lead you where He wants you. What I have found is that His leading will be confirmed through scripture, and through others. Just be completely open to Gods will for your life and you will do fine.

God Bless your desire to serve Him.
My problem comes from the other side, I am divorced and remarried and the "good Bible-teaching" churches won't touch me with a pole.
It's the liberal denominations that are willing to take me on.
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