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Old 29th August 2011, 09:43 PM
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So many Liberals are so scripturally unsound it's not funny

One of my biggest frustrations with Liberals who call themselves Christians is that when you ask them to justify their position in scripture they cannot do it effectively and have to twist the words of scripture (And add stuff in or take away) to fit their view.

Case in point, I was debating an Anglican minister who thinks abortion is ok. So I said what's your scriptural justification? He quoted a verse that he said it said if a man hits a woman and she has a miscarriage then its a civil matter (And he claims that this means the Bible is ok with abortion) . It turns out that that verse just says if two men are fighting and one accidentally hurts the woman causing her to go into labor early then there is a fine, and one verse later it says if further mischief then life for life, eye for eye. So if the baby died, that man would be killed.

So then he said, well abortion is not forbidden in the Bible, to which I replied, oh great let's go back to enslaving african americans because that isn't directly forbidden in the Bible either.

Even after being shown all the scripture under the sun as opposition to his view he still clung to it like his view is more precious than God's word.

This is extremely frustrating because having been an atheist I understood my world view had no problem with abortion, divorce, sex outside of marriage et-al, and I also understood when I became a Christian that these and much else had to change to fit the Christian path and the Scriptures.

Is there anyone else out there who experiences these frustrations? Have you got some good examples if ridiculous interpretations by liberals so they can do what they want....
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Old 30th August 2011, 08:38 PM
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I once had an acquaintance who claimed that being thrown out of his church for being in a homosexual relationship was wrong because:

"The Bible doesn't say anything about homosexuality being wrong, just homosexuality that revolves around lust instead of love".

He also tried to twist scripture around and claim that David and Saul were homosexuals because 'no straight men have a close relationship like that without sex being involved".

I chalk it all up to people not wanting to own up to the indecency, sin, accountability, etc in their life.
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Do you really believe only the liberals are this way? I know of many Christians who does something against God. Then try to change Godís words in order to fit them. What about the many ministers who lead homosexuals into believe itís Ok to serve God, yet remaining in the lifestyle they choose to live? And what about the many people who sits up in their place of worship. yet live as fornicators, adulterers, being into what the world is doing?

It doesnít matter if youíre into the governments or not. changing God words to justify oneís way of living is wrong. And I can understand your frustrations many of Jehovah Godís people , and Jesus followers have them. No matter how many scriptures one shows , Many will just ignore it.

A elder told us this story of witnessing to a minister concerning Godís name. The minister said itís just in our bible, (as with many who refuse to even check theirs). The elder told him that the name was also in his, and asked if he could get his bible. Sad for a minister of ďgod/JesusĒ, he havenít notice the name. Once they compared the verse at Exo.6:3,noticing the name Jehovah WASÖin the kjb, (many once said we made the name up). He tore out the page, and said ..ĒNOT ANYMOREĒ! sad he didnít want to admit the name being in his bible. But what was even sadder, he wasnít teaching his many followers the truth. It made me mad, because it showed he didnít even care to know the truth. So what comes to my mind, Öjust like in Jesus day. peace

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Well yeah, that happens. But don't be the one to get angry. Know that the truth is at least as offensive to them as the lies they believe are to you. By simply stating it with no apologies, you'll get them riled up most of the time, and they'll be the ones with egg on their face. All you can do is prove from the Scriptures that you are right. If they don't listen to that, then they are beyond man's convincing, at least for now.
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Well yeah, that happens. But don't be the one to get angry. Know that the truth is at least as offensive to them as the lies they believe are to you. By simply stating it with no apologies, you'll get them riled up most of the time, and they'll be the ones with egg on their face. All you can do is prove from the Scriptures that you are right. If they don't listen to that, then they are beyond man's convincing, at least for now.
So true, what amazes me is that they manage to find the manifestation of God's righteousness offensive.
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Originally Posted by AnnCook View Post
I once had an acquaintance who claimed that being thrown out of his church for being in a homosexual relationship was wrong because:

"The Bible doesn't say anything about homosexuality being wrong, just homosexuality that revolves around lust instead of love".

He also tried to twist scripture around and claim that David and Saul were homosexuals because 'no straight men have a close relationship like that without sex being involved".

I chalk it all up to people not wanting to own up to the indecency, sin, accountability, etc in their life.
Have to agree there,

I almost lol'd at the statement he made about the Bible doesn't say anything about homosexuality being wrong, clearly he'd never read Leviticus 20:13
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Old 31st August 2011, 11:58 PM
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Regardless, I don't think "God's law" should be any basis as to how a modern country behaves. One has the right to believe abortion is wrong and therefor not chose it for themselves but they should not have the right to take that choice away from someone else. One also has the right, for example, to believe homosexuals are hell bound scum of the earth however institutionalized bigotry should not be tolerated against them.
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Regardless, I don't think "God's law" should be any basis as to how a modern country behaves. One has the right to believe abortion is wrong and therefor not chose it for themselves but they should not have the right to take that choice away from someone else. One also has the right, for example, to believe homosexuals are hell bound scum of the earth however institutionalized bigotry should not be tolerated against them.
Sorry this is a Christian fundamentalist only forum section.
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so only fundamentalists can post an opinion here ?
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so only fundamentalists can post an opinion here ?
In this forum section fundamentalist Christians yes.

You are welcome to post your views in the open forums.
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