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Old 27th August 2011, 02:19 PM
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Should anyone who believes in a literal apocalypse be in charge of nuclear weaponry?

The U.S. has the second largest Nuclear arsenal in world, with a large number of Cold War era ICBM silos fully armed and ready to launch at a moment's notice from the President.

The Republican primary this year has a few Evangelical Christian fundamentalists who stand a good chance of winning the nomination. A common belief of this segment includes a literal apocalyptic war coming sometime within the time-frame between tomorrow or the next few years, a decade at the most (They usually refrain from a definite date)

My point then is this: Should a person who believes in a literal apocalypse be placed in charge of the world's second largest nuclear arsenal? Should voters who would support such a candidate be considered mentally insane? Do other Evangelicals who believe in a literal apocalypse think Christians should take such an active role in the affairs of a "Fallen World"?

Your thoughts on the matter are appreciated.
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Old 27th August 2011, 02:22 PM
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Your thoughts on the matter are appreciated.
Sure they are.
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Old 27th August 2011, 02:31 PM
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Let's look at this scenario.

Say we have another May 21 extravaganza and the person in charge of these weapon believes it to be true. People killed themselves and their children believing this day was coming. Imagine what a man with the power to single handedly wipe out entire countries, even the entire world, might do in that mindset.

That said, no. Absolutely not. My thought is no religious person period should have control over something like that because the minute they see Jesus in a piece of toast and decides it's a sign that we need to invade Kuwait, the world is done. It needs to be held by someone who is level headed, who has no ulterior interests, be they political or spiritual, and who respects science enough to trust in ALL it has to say (not just in the parts that made the weapons to begin with).
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Originally Posted by Deadbolt View Post
The U.S. has the second largest Nuclear arsenal in world, with a large number of Cold War era ICBM silos fully armed and ready to launch at a moment's notice from the President.

The Republican primary this year has a few Evangelical Christian fundamentalists who stand a good chance of winning the nomination. A common belief of this segment includes a literal apocalyptic war coming sometime within the time-frame between tomorrow or the next few years, a decade at the most (They usually refrain from a definite date)

My point then is this: Should a person who believes in a literal apocalypse be placed in charge of the world's second largest nuclear arsenal? Should voters who would support such a candidate be considered mentally insane? Do other Evangelicals who believe in a literal apocalypse think Christians should take such an active role in the affairs of a "Fallen World"?

Your thoughts on the matter are appreciated.
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Offhand I'd cite Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann, both of whom seem popular. I'll admit I haven't heard much about the beliefs of others apart from Romney.
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Reagan believed in the Apocalypse. That is why he was so against nuclear weapons.
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Originally Posted by Deadbolt
The Republican primary this year has a few Evangelical Christian fundamentalists who stand a good chance of winning the nomination.
Who among the current presidential field is a fundamentalist???

A common belief of this segment includes a literal apocalyptic war coming sometime within the time-frame between tomorrow or the next few years, a decade at the most (They usually refrain from a definite date)
That's odd, I've been a fundamentalist for about twenty years and have never heard anybody say this. Where are you getting your information?

My point then is this: Should a person who believes in a literal apocalypse be placed in charge of the world's second largest nuclear arsenal?
Why not?

Should voters who would support such a candidate be considered mentally insane?
No more than humanists who think it's acceptable to come to a Christian message board just to insult Christians.

Do other Evangelicals who believe in a literal apocalypse think Christians should take such an active role in the affairs of a "Fallen World"?
Why shouldn't we?
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Offhand I'd cite Rick Perry and Michelle Bachmann, both of whom seem popular. I'll admit I haven't heard much about the beliefs of others apart from Romney.
Neither Perry nor Bachman are fundamentalists. Romney isn't even a Christian.
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And atheists eat babies and hate everybody.

This is as stupid as the Obama is a scary Muslim out to kill us idiocy. In other words- you're engaging in fear-mongering because you dislike the idea of religious people in politics- and especially if they are part of the GOP. You're just going to have to get over it. I'm not an Evangelical Christian- and I don't have a problem with someone who is being over a nuclear arsenal if they are voted in. In fact- I'd say you likely know next to nothing about Evangelicals if you think they're all violent loons.
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Isn't there a film with the entire OP as its plot..

just can't think of the name of it.
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