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Old 22nd August 2011, 01:28 PM
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Psychiatry and Orthodoxy: Nope Homosexuality is not normal

Shifts in Paradigms. An Orthodox Psychiatrist on Homosexuality - AOI Observer

A very worthwhile interview on homosexuality. A brave indeed psychiatrist that did stand up her ground.
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Old 22nd August 2011, 02:01 PM
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Good on her for refusing to take off her Cross.

It was quite a contrast to another article linked at the bottom of the article:

New and Controversial: “Homosexuality in the Orthodox Church” Just Published - AOI Observer

Inclusive Orthodoxy ~ The Rev. Justin R. Cannon

He's not even Orthodox: "Cannon was ordained in the Episcopal Church as a transitional deacon on June 4, 2011 and anticipates an ordination to the priesthood in December 2011."

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Yes, man to man friendship does not automatically advocate homosexuality.
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Old 22nd August 2011, 09:09 PM
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Yes, man to man friendship does not automatically advocate homosexuality.
I agree but this is not what the interview was about
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That reality then says, “Anything that I feel is good for me,” whether it be men with men, men with boys, women with young girls, or people with animals (people don’t stop with one thing).
This is silly. People and animals are completely different beings. It's so ridiculous that I can't even comment further.

But it is not that people are just standing back meekly, saying, “I want to be with my partner.” It is actually a campaign, a fervency to force themselves and you to accept their ideology.
This is because meekly standing back with a quiet voice leads to more oppression and discrimination.

No one who engages in homosexual activity is psychologically healthy.
This is simply fallacy. I know lots of homosexuals that are very healthy, and would be considered healthy, surely, by this doctor if she didn't know they were gay.

It all comes back to that, and so we have redefined what a family is.
Because it became necessary. When millions upon millions of children need SOMEONE to love them, a redefinition of family is required. Sure, you can say that a heterosexual married couple would be best. That's fine. I may be inclined to agree with you. But one person, or two same sex people, is much better than no one to love them and care for them. Living an entire life and growing up without one or more parents is a lot more damaging than say, having gay parents, or a single parent who never wants married but wants a child.


Aside from those few bits, I really enjoyed the reading, and it made me think. Thanks for posting it! <3

Edit: Just wanted to say that although I disagree with her (obviously ), I would also like to commend her for still carrying the cross and holding firm to her Faith.
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You really mean to tell me you're being oppressed because people oppose gay marriage? Really? That is oppression? No, no I don't think so, when you're forced to have seperate facilities, sit in the back of the bus, rounded up and put in camps, then you come talk to me about oppression. No sir, homosexuals are not being oppressed.
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You really mean to tell me you're being oppressed because people oppose gay marriage? Really? That is oppression? No, no I don't think so, when you're forced to have seperate facilities, sit in the back of the bus, rounded up and put in camps, then you come talk to me about oppression. No sir, homosexuals are not being oppressed.
Oppression comes in varying degrees. Homosexual oppression is obviously milder than that of African Americans only a few decades ago. Though it's not really "marriage" that is the oppression (because, first, the government has no business getting their grubby little hands involved in a sacrament). It boils down to rights and money. There are over 1,000 tax benefits that heterosexual married couples receive that homosexual ones cannot... because we can't get married.

Lots of things make it a civil rights issue. We cannot make medical decisions for our partners in emergencies. Sometimes even visitation is forbidden. If one partner of a gay couple gets arrested, the other can be forced to testify against them. Heterosexual couples are not forced to do so. Family of a deceased partner of a homosexual couple can even override carefully written wills.

Those are just a few reasons. Oppression is oppression, sometimes just in different ways, or ways with varying degrees of severity.
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Well, oppression of homosexuals in the USA military ends on Sept. 20th anyways. Whether or not one agrees with it.
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I have long been in favor of civil unions for just the reasons you mentioned, I would like it if homosexuals could be in relationships with each other if they would remain celibate. There are more ways to show and express love other than sexual and I don't think homosexuals should be forced to be alone, but I think they may want to consider that they may have a monastic calling..but I digress. I've said all that to say this, marriage is not possible within the Church as you well know, nor should it be, but I also don't think you should have to be alone. If you could be in a non-sexual relationship, I could support that. Sorry to derail to the topic.
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