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Originally Posted by Psalm63 View Post
Horse's mouth and all...

Please forgive me in advance for the crudeness, but:

God HATES divorce and there is just NO greater "joy" than you should just spread those legs for the man that raped your daughters. Hey y'all ladies out there, you want to join a church that treats you and your daughters like THIS?:
According to Debi Pearl:
“But if your husband has sexually molested the children, you should approach him with it. If he is truly repentant (not just exposed) and is willing to seek counseling, you may feel comfortable giving him an opportunity to prove himself, as long as you know the children are safe. If there is any thought that they are not safe, or if he is not repentant and willing to seek help, then go to the law and have him arrested. Stick by him, but testify against him in court. Have him do about 10 to 20 years, and by the time he gets out, you will have raised the kids, and you can be waiting for him with open arms of forgiveness and restitution. Will this glorify God? Forever. You ask, “What if he doesn’t repent even then?” Then you will be rewarded in heaven equal to the martyrs, and God will have something to rub in the Devil’s face. God hates divorce — always, forever, regardless, without exception.”
Terrifying. Absolutely and completely.
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I've read stuff on their website a few times and never found it particularly biblical. I have found it fairly appealing to people who want their pastors to be a kind of sergeant major to God's commanding officer.
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Originally Posted by JaneFW View Post
Terrifying. Absolutely and completely.
I spend my late childhood to early adolescence in a household like that. I don't recommend it.
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Yuck. I feel like puking after reading that. Bleh. Uggh. Time for me to go brush my teeth...
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Thank you so much, Psalm 63. I've spent the last hour trying to find that particular passage in her book. It's on page 174 by the way for reference. But here's couple of other gems of wisdom from said same source.

You will surely wonder. 'Why is it the will of God for the underling to suffer at the hands of an unjust and perverse authority?' Two reason are obvious, one of which we have already stated. First, the chain of authority must remain intact, even to the point of allowing some abuse.
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In regards to men who have broken the law in any way:

Women who threaten to 'report him to the law' or women who refuse to answer the phone in any way other than, 'He is here, but will not talk,' are rebellious. They will never make it to the hall of fame found in Hebrews 11, where Sara was listed, nor will they make it into a heavenly marriage here on earth. They will go to their graves unloved and uncherished, a total failure as the woman God called them to be.
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These are direct quotes from the woman. I don't get how bringing up this being taught in church whether it be from the pulpit or in women's Bible study is disingenuous when the question was if we'd been privy to this kind of teaching in church. I know what I'm talking about thank you very much!
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Originally Posted by McScribe View Post
I spend my late childhood to early adolescence in a household like that. I don't recommend it.
I'm sorry.
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Originally Posted by atlasshrugged View Post
Thank you so much, Psalm 63. I've spent the last hour trying to find that particular passage in her book. It's on page 174 by the way for reference. But here's couple of other gems of wisdom from said same source.

Page 263 (emphasis mine)

In regards to men who have broken the law in any way:

Page 270

These are direct quotes from the woman. I don't get how bringing up this being taught in church whether it be from the pulpit or in women's Bible study is disingenuous when the question was if we'd been privy to this kind of teaching in church. I know what I'm talking about thank you very much!
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Originally Posted by dreamer1982 View Post
I'm sorry.
Thank you. I hate the idea of anyone being abused. But the worst thing is when people use a mode of seeming righteousness to do it, and use the thing that is the worst weapon of the abuser to even more evil effect: the sense of shame. That the abuse victim must be a bad person to receive the abuse.
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I dont think the submission thing really needs to be brought up other than in pre marital discussions or marital counseling. There is no reason to bring up an emotionally charged topic unless there is a good reason like if 2 people are getting married or if the marriage is on the rocks the issue may very well be a lack of submission to no fault of the husband but that should be on a case by case basis.

Why does a happy couple sitting in church need to hear a debbie downer sermon on submission, they likely heard it before they were married and are likely practicing it if they are in at least a 90% happy marriage.

I dont think downer topics need to be preached from the pulpit they need to be preached on a one on one basis when its relavent, life is already hard enough we dont need to bring up downer topics for no reason.

My wife is awesome and makes me very happy and is submissive why does she need to be beat over the head by a sunday sermon. Now if you have a bossy or feminist wife and are not happy with her then maybe you need to get some counseling and im sure the submission issue will come up. If she keeps it up (and its not because your drinking or gambling or beating the hell out of her or the kids) then it could lead to a divorce that is her fault.
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Yeah, I read that article. That article gave me a considerable headache. Like I said elsewhere, it's when reading this kind of thing that I realize what an awesome husband I have.
Okay, O just read the article, and I xaught the part about trivializing dating. This is very common. It essentially says, that if a woman doesn't choose well, then she's stuck with what she gets. The problem with this thinking though, is that people can lead double lives, really well.

I work with a woman who's husband was leading a complete double life. He had a whole seperate family in another state. Sine he took business trips, he pulled it off. He was thoughtful, involved, and caring, when he was with her, and their children. How can she be held accountable for his hidden double living? It's just not fair.
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A significant discovery was made in relation to marital satisfaction and role relationships. It discovered that (81%) of equalitarian (egalitarian) couples were happily married, while (82%) of couples where both spouses perceived their relationship as traditional (hierarchical) were mainly unhappy.[17]
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