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16th August 2011, 04:46 PM
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Reps: 409,615,275,790,593,088 (power: 409,615,275,790,604) | | Originally Posted by Monica, child of God  The Liturgy of St. Gregory isn't based on the Book of Common Prayer.
Also, Eastern Orthodox use the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts which is attributed to St. Gregory, pope of Rome even though the liturgy is clearly Byzantine and most likely was not penned by St. Gregory.
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The Liturgy of St. Tikhon that most of the western-rite Antiochians use is an edited BCP. |
16th August 2011, 04:47 PM
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16th August 2011, 04:48 PM
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16th August 2011, 04:53 PM
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16th August 2011, 04:55 PM
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16th August 2011, 04:55 PM
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Reps: 186,767,426,457,072,224 (power: 186,767,426,457,092) | | Originally Posted by knee-v I was lamenting the fact that most Western chanting styles have died out and that we'll never be able to hear them.
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The Mozarabic Rite still sees use:
As does the Ambrosian Rite:
I see the necessity of the Counter-Reformation and Trent, but I wish we had taken more care with our liturgical patrimony. I do see an interest in many young people in embracing our heritage more, so perhaps there is hope. 
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16th August 2011, 04:56 PM
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16th August 2011, 04:58 PM
|  | All ya gotska do is use the force!
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Reps: 1,312,145,422,901,686,016 (power: 1,312,145,422,901,701) | | Originally Posted by isshinwhat +2
The Mozarabic Rite still sees use:
As does the Ambrosian Rite:
I see the necessity of the Counter-Reformation and Trent, but I wish we had taken more care with our liturgical patrimony. I do see an interest in many young people in embracing our heritage more, so perhaps there is hope.
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing that.
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16th August 2011, 04:58 PM
|  | A Sinner
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I'll admit the liturgy at the first parish I attended with its Greek melodies, which some say originate with Muslim chant, adopted by the Greeks during centuries of Ottoman rule, and some of the prayers being spoken in Arabic, seemed a little foreign to me, but considering the corruption of the gospel in the Protestant sects I had been involved in, I was glad for any expression that was authentically Christian.
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16th August 2011, 05:01 PM
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