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How do we know that a person is anointed, today?

Many 'churches' call members within their congregation, prophets or apostles. We find in N/T scripture, that ministers are 'teachers' (below the apostles or prophets). Bishops, Deacons, are simply 'teachers', that are given church 'hierarchy' positions.

What 'proof' is required (supported by scripture), that lets someone know, that another person is in fact 'anointed by God', as a prophet or apostle?

Numbers 12:6, refers only to a prophet. The O/T scripture seems to tell us to 'test' the prophecies of a prophet. Is there any need for further prophecies beyond the N/T?

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Many 'churches' call members within their congregation, prophets or apostles. We find in N/T scripture, that ministers are 'teachers' (below the apostles or prophets). Bishops, Deacons, are simply 'teachers', that are given church 'hierarchy' positions.

What 'proof' is required (supported by scripture), that lets someone know, that another person is in fact 'anointed by God', as a prophet or apostle?

Numbers 12:6, refers only to a prophet. The O/T scripture seems to tell us to 'test' the prophecies of a prophet. Is there any need for further prophecies beyond the N/T?

Thorwald Johansen
The "baptism of fire/Holy Spirit" that was promised to the believers at Pentecost. When we are saved we are infilled with the Holy Spirit, when we are subsequently "baptized" by the Holy Spirit that's the anointing to preach the gospel with power and passion.
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Originally Posted by NOTurTypical View Post
The "baptism of fire/Holy Spirit" that was promised to the believers at Pentecost. When we are saved we are infilled with the Holy Spirit, when we are subsequently "baptized" by the Holy Spirit that's the anointing to preach the gospel with power and passion.
We have to remember, that there is a difference between a 'teacher' and an anointed prophet or apostle. The prophets/apostles, received The Word, 'first hand' from God, and not man. Teachers receive The Word, from men. The scriptures tell us, that those who received The Word from God directly, in order to teach others, were called 'gods'. In the case of Jesus Christ, He was God/The Word, Himself.

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The "baptism of fire/Holy Spirit" that was promised to the believers at Pentecost. When we are saved we are infilled with the Holy Spirit, when we are subsequently "baptized" by the Holy Spirit that's the anointing to preach the gospel with power and passion.
I've experienced this, but as living proof I can testify that I am absolutely not qualified to carry any title or perform the work of a ministry.
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Originally Posted by Nanopants View Post
I've experienced this, but as living proof I can testify that I am absolutely not qualified to carry any title or perform the work of a ministry.
Something that is very strange, is the way in which God chooses someone to 'anoint'. It appears, that in fact, He chooses 'the least' [in man's eyes] and makes them 'the greatest' [in His own eyes]. We see this in the case of Moses, Joseph, David, disciples, prophets and apostles, etc. I believe that this is so that no man can become 'high-headed', and believe that his works have gotten him anointed. Christ did not choose any 'clergy' as His original disciples.

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Something that is very strange, is the way in which God chooses someone to 'anoint'. It appears, that in fact, He chooses 'the least' [in man's eyes] and makes them 'the greatest' [in His own eyes]. We see this in the case of Moses, Joseph, David, disciples, prophets and apostles, etc. I believe that this is so that no man can become 'high-headed', and believe that his works have gotten him anointed. Christ did not choose any 'clergy' as His original disciples.

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Bah. Well, if that were true in my case then I'm sure God would have done something by now. As it is, I'm content to share with people on a one-on-one basis. And it's not like churches are springing up under my feet or anything, so I really don't think I'm "equipped" for that sort of ministry.
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Originally Posted by Nanopants View Post
Bah. Well, if that were true in my case then I'm sure God would have done something by now. As it is, I'm content to share with people on a one-on-one basis. And it's not like churches are springing up under my feet or anything, so I really don't think I'm "equipped" for that sort of ministry.
I'm not sure what you are telling me, in the above quote. We have to be careful, that we do not fall into 'the blind leading the blind'. This also applies to the 'ministry'. It is written, that we will return to the days of Noah. The ministry is not exempt from this, nor were the scribes and Pharisees in the time of Christ.

We are given the instructions to seek wisdom from God (seek, ask, knock, etc.). Never rely on another human being's 'understanding'. The risk is too high.

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I'm not sure what you are telling me, in the above quote. We have to be careful, that we do not fall into 'the blind leading the blind'. This also applies to the 'ministry'. It is written, that we will return to the days of Noah. The ministry is not exempt from this, nor were the scribes and Pharisees in the time of Christ.

We are given the instructions to seek wisdom from God (seek, ask, knock, etc.). Never rely on another human being's 'understanding'. The risk is too high.

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Oh for sure. I'm just not convinced that baptism in the Spirit is the sign of position or office in the church. I really don't know how someone can know what his office or title should be, unless God intervened somehow and confirmed it, preferrably with witnesses.

All I know is that with the Spirit come certain gifts, and mine is strange for certain. I don't think I've even seen it described in the NT, but that doesn't stop me from just walking the walk and doing what I'm led to do.
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Originally Posted by Nanopants View Post
Oh for sure. I'm just not convinced that baptism in the Spirit is the sign of position or office in the church. I really don't know how someone can know what his office or title should be, unless God intervened somehow and confirmed it, preferrably with witnesses.

All I know is that with the Spirit come certain gifts, and mine is strange for certain. I don't think I've even seen it described in the NT, but that doesn't stop me from just walking the walk and doing what I'm led to do.
When a person is chosen by God for a specific purpose, that person will definitely know this. The person will never be 'forced' to accept the challenge. Even Isaiah was given a choice to accept or not.

If you think that you have a problem, try what I experienced;

In 2003, I had two visions, followed by a dream (all in riddles). Prior to these, I was spoken to in God's own voice, when I was troubled, and went to Him in very intense prayer.

In the first vision, I 're-lived' my carnal birth. In the second vision, I was in the presence of God. I was not allowed to see The Father or The Holy Ghost, but I was made aware of their presence. Christ appeared, standing on the right hand of 'someone' that I didn't know, but both Christ and this other person, were 'identical', in every way. It took six and a half years of reading the Bible, praying, internet research, and communicating with many ministers, before all of the meanings to the riddles in the dream, were explained to me. (Read Numbers 12:6 and John 14:21-23.)

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I just don't get how pastors can throw the term anointed around so loosely as if they can use gods anointing however and whenever they see fit..gods anointing is the empowering ability to let the holy spirit work on ones behalf, but the problem with this is that sometimes our all to deceptive flesh (ego) can intervene and obstruct gods message for believers..the real question is what characteristics can we directly discern to distinguish gods anointing from mans ego..after all, history has proved how power corrupts as a result our democratic government has set up political safeguards to insure that this doesn't happen..sadly, today from the pulpit, there aren't any intellectual mechanisms we can use to differentiate when a pastor, preacher, teacher, is slipping out of the anointing and into the flesh, which asserts itself with just as much power of articulation..
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