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Old 8th August 2011, 05:37 AM
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To OCA members especially.
You all remember recent disturbances in OCA. Browsing through American Orthodox sites I found out this article - Same-Sex Marriage and the Revolt Against Metropolitan Jonah. To tell the truth I was shocked after reading it. Please tell me is the information presented in the article credible? I had a bit idealized view on the Orthodoxy in USA so I feel myself uneasy now.
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Originally Posted by nikolayalexandroff
To OCA members especially.
You all remember recent disturbances in OCA. Browsing through American Orthodox sites I found out this article - Same-Sex Marriage and the Revolt Against Metropolitan Jonah. To tell the truth I was shocked after reading it. Please tell me is the information presented in the article credible? I had a bit idealized view on the Orthodoxy in USA so I feel myself uneasy now.
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First I've heard of it. I don't see them making much headway though personally. I don't get Stokoe and these lay activists. Their attitude seems contradictory to the beliefs they supposedly hold in belonging to a hierarchal church.

That, and I'm mystified as to how they do all this. I certainly wouldn't have time to lead a Facebook crusade like Inga. It all just makes me roll my eyes.

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I think it definitely overstates the influence those activists have within the church and on the hierarchy. I would also not trust anything on OCATruth, as they are rumormongers, propagandists, and recent converts to boot. By extension, anything that references OCATruth should be taken with a grain of salt. They have a vested interest in raising a clamor to shock and appall people like you. I cannot adequately convey my disdain for the OCATruth web site on a polite site like this one.
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I think it definitely overstates the influence those activists have within the church and on the hierarchy. I would also not trust anything on OCATruth, as they are rumormongers, propagandists, and recent converts to boot. By extension, anything that references OCATruth should be taken with a grain of salt. They have a vested interest in raising a clamor to shock and appall people like you. I cannot adequately convey my disdain for the OCATruth web site on a polite site like this one.
Thank you for clarification.
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I think it definitely overstates the influence those activists have within the church and on the hierarchy. I would also not trust anything on OCATruth, as they are rumormongers, propagandists, and recent converts to boot. By extension, anything that references OCATruth should be taken with a grain of salt. They have a vested interest in raising a clamor to shock and appall people like you. I cannot adequately convey my disdain for the OCATruth web site on a polite site like this one.
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I think it definitely overstates the influence those activists have within the church and on the hierarchy. I would also not trust anything on OCATruth, as they are rumormongers, propagandists, and recent converts to boot. By extension, anything that references OCATruth should be taken with a grain of salt. They have a vested interest in raising a clamor to shock and appall people like you. I cannot adequately convey my disdain for the OCATruth web site on a polite site like this one.
I'm not a huge fan of OCATruth, but I think you are misrepresenting the article. It was written by Glen (Nicholas) Chancy, who is not involved in OCATruth, and therefore not necessarily a "rumormonger" or "propagandist". Also, AOI and Fr. Johannes Jacobse are both straight up. So, one has to at least consider the possibility that OCATruth's blind squirrel did find a nut.

As for the article itself, Inga Leonova's Facebook group's membership list is public, and I know several of them in real life. They have "a vested interest" in promoting the acceptance of homosexual activity and blessings of same-sex relationships within Orthodox churches, and this is reflected in the content of the group's public discussions.

It's not for nothing that Mark Stokoe has published several "reflections" on the matter of homosexuality recently, all of which promote at least a toleration, if not a blessing, of sexual relationships between members of the same sex within the Orthodox Church.
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You do have a point, but the essay was originally published there (and on monomakhos, which is much the same bent), which is why it draws my ire. In short, yes, there are voices on the far extremes pushing for, say, gay marriage within the Church, but they are marginal, at best, and drawing long lines of connections all the way to the top and drawing it into a grand conspiracy against Metropolitan Jonah is a bit much. Any name with any sort of connection to the extremes becomes tainted - note the names he drags through the muck without any consideration or reference to what they have actually stated they believe (and many of them have an extensive public record).
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Not to mention that Mr. Stokoe has a vested interest to it, since he seems to be living with a man that his mother's obituary referred to as his "husband" (which you have to admit is a very strange way to refer to a roommate).
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It's not for nothing that Mark Stokoe has published several "reflections" on the matter of homosexuality recently, all of which promote at least a toleration, if not a blessing, of sexual relationships between members of the same sex within the Orthodox Church.
So do you think that accusations in the article are not wholly groundless?
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You do have a point, but the essay was originally published there (and on monomakhos, which is much the same bent), which is why it draws my ire. In short, yes, there are voices on the far extremes pushing for, say, gay marriage within the Church, but they are marginal, at best, and drawing long lines of connections all the way to the top and drawing it into a grand conspiracy against Metropolitan Jonah is a bit much. Any name with any sort of connection to the extremes becomes tainted - note the names he drags through the muck without any consideration or reference to what they have actually stated they believe (and many of them have an extensive public record).
Are they really marginal? OCA News has a large following, and Mark Stokoe is not telling the truth about himself, nor is he telling both sides, is he? Personally, I'd believe OCA Truth over OCA News.
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