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Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Please vote in the poll. Are the wages of sin death or something other than death?
This is a public poll.
In Romans 6:23, death is eternal separation from God in hell (literally a dark, obscure place), in which unbelievers suffer conscious torment forever see Luke 16:24-25, where you can see the torment.
Ever since Adam, we all will have a physical death “dust to dust”. For the unbeliever their soul will be in Hell for eternity. For believers they will be will God for eternity, in some glorified body.
We are already dead, living in a world of death. We cannot enter into life if we are not willing to leave death behind.
"For people do not gather figs from thorns or from thorn trees, if they are wise, nor grapes from thistles. For, on the one hand, that which is always becoming is in that from which it is, being from what is not good, which becomes destruction for it and death. But that which comes to be in the Eternal One is in the One of the life and the immortality of the life which they resemble."
-Gnostic Peter
"Everything that came from the perishable will perish, since it came from the perishable. But whatever came from imperishableness does not perish but becomes imperishable. So, many men went astray because they had not known this difference and they died."
-Sophia of Jesus
When you turn yourselves towards death, it will make known to you election. In truth I say to you, none of those who are afraid of death will be saved. For the Kingdom of God belongs to those who have put themselves to death. Become better than I; make yourselves like the son of the Holy Spirit."
- Secret James
But what am I telling you now? Those who are living shall die. How do they live in an illusion? The rich have become poor, and the kings have been overthrown. Everything is prone to change. The world is an illusion! - lest, indeed, I rail at things to excess!
- Treatise on the Resurrection
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In classical Freudianpsychoanalytic theory, the death drive ("Todestrieb") is the drive towards death, self-destruction and the return to the inorganic: 'the hypothesis of a death instinct, the task of which is to lead organic life back into the inanimate state'.[1] It was originally proposed by Sigmund Freud in 1920 in Beyond the Pleasure Principle, where in his first published reference to the term he wrote of the 'opposition between the ego or death instincts and the sexual or life instincts'.[2] The death drive opposes Eros, the tendency toward survival, propagation, sex, and other creative, life-producing drives. The death drive is sometimes referred to as "Thanatos" in post-Freudian thought, complementing "Eros", although this term was not used in Freud's own work, being rather introduced by one of Freud's followers
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The wages of sin is "death." But what is defined as "death?" "Death," it seems, is not having love for your brother. It is all about having love for each other (true life) or not having love (death) for your brothers and sisters in Christ.
1 John 3:14 KJV
(14) We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
The wages of sin is "death." But what is defined as "death?"
Good question, How we define death determines our theology concerning Romans 6:23.
"Death," it seems, is not having love for your brother. It is all about having love for each other (true life) or not having love (death) for your brothers and sisters in Christ.
1 John 3:14 KJV (14) We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
My take on 1 John 3:14 is that John is saying that we have passed from death into life, we are no longer subject to death, we will have a resurrection to life. We know that we will have the resurrection into life because of the evidence that we have love for the brethren. Whoever does not have love for his brother remains under the penalty of death. There is no evidence (the love) that he has received eternal life from Christ.
I would say that the very definition of a 'brother' is someone that loves you and that you ought to have love for.
cain hated his brother even though his brother loved him.
indeed, he apparently hated abel precisely because abel loved him.
hating people because they love you (want what is best for you) is indeed death.
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In Romans 6:23, death is eternal separation from God in hell (literally a dark, obscure place), in which unbelievers suffer conscious torment forever see Luke 16:24-25, where you can see the torment.
Ever since Adam, we all will have a physical death “dust to dust”. For the unbeliever their soul will be in Hell for eternity. For believers they will be will God for eternity, in some glorified body.
In Romans 6:23, death is thanatos, which means "death".
Luke 16:24-25 is part of a parable, not all of the parts of a parable are meant to be taken literally.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Please vote in the poll. Are the wages of sin death or something other than death?
This is a public poll.
The poll is not getting many votes
Is the question too obvious?
I would have thought there would be a lot more "No the wages of sin is eternal torment". Not that the bible says that, but because sooo many people believe that.
I would have thought there would be a lot more "No the wages of sin is eternal torment". Not that the bible says that, but because sooo many people believe that.
You're mistaking "wages" with "sentencing."
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