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The Midas Touch by Hagin?

Anybody read "The Midas Touch" by Kenneth E. Hagin?

Somebody was telling me it was a good, balanced book on prosperity so I thought I'd ask to see if it's a good read and worth getting.
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Anybody read "The Midas Touch" by Kenneth E. Hagin?

Somebody was telling me it was a good, balanced book on prosperity so I thought I'd ask to see if it's a good read and worth getting.
It was a very good read. It deals with many of the prosperity gospel's extremes. It is worth the read just for the balanced teaching concerning prosperity.
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I agree - very good. It really helped me with some of the extremes I wasn't comfortable with. And coming from such a great man made the truth within it's pages that much more solid.
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There's a rumor goin round (I can't find it on Hagin's website) that Kenneth Hagin called a meeting with numerous WOF ministers and rebuked them and warned them that this book was going to be publically "correcting" some sort of "extreme" doctines concerning material wealth.

But, I don't see anywhere that this can be verified...the anti-WOF websites have all sorts of stuff so that's not a good source.

I guess I need to read the book...
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OK, so apparently...Hagin claims the 100 fold return is not biblical for finances...which is really odd...

Mark 10:29,30
And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.


Seems Jesus is actually saying that whatever you "leave" for His sake and the sake of the Gospel... you shall receive 100 fold now in this time (sure seems like He's talkin 'bout while we're living on earth)...the same things you left.

I guess the question is...is donating money to support the gospel the same as "leaving money for Jesus sake and the Gospel"....

This has to be related to Mark 4:14-20...cause it was God that tells us to give to Him!

Mark 4:14-20
The sower soweth the word.
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,
And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.


And, if it is...then the rate of return is going to be dependent on how we receive (and keep the devil's junk OUT) and walk in the Word that is sown in to us conncering God's desire to bless me and increase my seed sown (2 Corinthians 9:10)...is not that talking about the seed I sow growing up and bearing fruit??? I think it is actually...

Not sure why Hagin would not like this...although I'm sure such large houses and mega expensive cars are a little overkill.

I could live wonderful in a 200k home and a 50k pickup truck...I'd be good!...so I could give all my millions in to the Gospel...so I'm going to continue running my spreadsheet where I actually keep track of how much a 100 fold return is for me based on what I've given.
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Anybody read "The Midas Touch" by Kenneth E. Hagin?

Somebody was telling me it was a good, balanced book on prosperity so I thought I'd ask to see if it's a good read and worth getting.
Yes, excellent and balanced book. I should be read for understanding; some, even in WoF, who embrace mammon and pride actually teach against this book.
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OK, so apparently...Hagin claims the 100 fold return is not biblical for finances...which is really odd...

Mark 10:29,30
And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
So have you done this (or known anyone who has actually done this)? I mean done what this verse literally says, since we are talking about a literal 100 fold return. Did they get 100 fold sisters back? Fathers? Mothers? Do they have 100 fold the number of wives than they had before?

Originally Posted by KM Richards View Post
Seems Jesus is actually saying that whatever you "leave" for His sake and the sake of the Gospel... you shall receive 100 fold now in this time (sure seems like He's talkin 'bout while we're living on earth)...the same things you left.
Yes, here and there: "now in this time....and in the world to come eternal life."

Note He also promises persecutions with it.

Originally Posted by KM Richards View Post
I guess the question is...is donating money to support the gospel the same as "leaving money for Jesus sake and the Gospel"....
First answer would be: is it listed?
Followup answer would be: if we could extend this verse logically to giving then we are back to what really is the 100 fold return? Fred K.C. Price once taught at our church that if the 100 fold return was literally that, then with his wealth he could, through giving, bankrupt the world in a relatively short time.

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There's a rumor goin round (I can't find it on Hagin's website) that Kenneth Hagin called a meeting with numerous WOF ministers and rebuked them and warned them that this book was going to be publically "correcting" some sort of "extreme" doctines concerning material wealth.
From people I've talked with who claim to have attended that meeting, the rebuking from Hagin was, in part, because some misleading ministries were embracing wealth and dismissing all other Gospel messages. When they would touch on salvation or other topics, it would always come back to the wealth that the congregant could have -- and ultimately the wealth they get back if they give to that misleading ministry.

Hagin's point was that if you are focusing on wealth (or any other prosperity topic), instead of Jesus, then you are perverting the Gospel.
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So have you done this (or known anyone who has actually done this)? I mean done what this verse literally says, since we are talking about a literal 100 fold return. Did they get 100 fold sisters back? Fathers? Mothers? Do they have 100 fold the number of wives than they had before?

It is a seedtime and harvest principle that...what you sow, is what you reap. (notice he said what you leave will be returned)

In this case, Jesus is saying what you lose on account of Him, He is going to make it up to you...so, it's very possible to have 100 dads in the Lord, a mothers in the Lord...

100 wives??? Now c'mon...you can get what amounts to be a wife that is 100 times better than the one a guy might have to leave, but that excludes instructions found in 1 Corinthians 7:27 (the NT does not teach men to leave their wives...but, the wife could leave if she wanted to pursue a life of a non-believer or is a non-believer)

This is also going to have to include the "true riches" of God, which are things money absolutely cannot buy.



Originally Posted by ABlessedMan View Post
Note He also promises persecutions with it.

Jesus said we'd have that in Mark 4:14-20, so that's no biggie...being a WOF guy, you oughtta have some pretty thick skin by now concerning persecution...I know I do.

I just show 'em what the Bible says and tell them: "Congrats! You're now responsible for what you've been shown!"...which usually freaks 'em out, which is what they get for bein smark alecks!
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It is a seedtime and harvest principle that...what you sow, is what you reap. (notice he said what you leave will be returned)

In this case, Jesus is saying what you lose on account of Him, He is going to make it up to you...so, it's very possible to have 100 dads in the Lord, a mothers in the Lord...
Sure. There are places in the Bible that promise a return (even), 7 times what the devil stole, 30-60-100 fold too.

But if we say 100 dads in the Lord, etc., then why not the money too? In other words, the magnified money is not coming to you but is to your account working in the kingdom.

All I'm saying here, like Dr. Price, is don't get too literal with the numbers. Like in the OT where it says God owns the cattle on a thousand hills.....only 1000?? I think He owns it all.

Originally Posted by KM Richards View Post
This is also going to have to include the "true riches" of God, which are things money absolutely cannot buy.
Absolute agreement here.






Jesus said we'd have that in Mark 4:14-20, so that's no biggie...being a WOF guy, you oughtta have some pretty thick skin by now concerning persecution...I know I do.

I just show 'em what the Bible says and tell them: "Congrats! You're now responsible for what you've been shown!"...which usually freaks 'em out, which is what they get for bein smark alecks![/quote]
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Well, unless Fred Price has been putting 100s of millions of dollars in to the gospel (his money, not what his church gives), then he's not going to take up all the money in the world anytime soon.

Based on Mark 4:14-20...if I take the promise of God found in 2 Corinthians 9:10 where God will "multiply your seed sown"...how come a fella cannot receive a 100 fold as promised by Jesus concerning getting 100 fold return on the Word that promises the multiplying of my seed sown???

Why doesn't Mark 4:14-20 apply to Luke 6:38 if it's money I'm giving???
Why can't I get a 100 fold return based on Mark 11:24?

And, you'd better be honorable about this because you know Kenneth Copeland is a very strong believer in the 100 fold return as it applies to money and stuff!

Wouldn't want to see you disrespect brother Copeland
since he's the leader of the "movement" you are following....
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