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Originally Posted by British Bulldog View Post
1. The Bible doesn't reduce suffering.
When it is not used you're right, it won't reduce suffering.

It's caused a fair bit, but that's another story.
And what suffering has the gospel of Jesus Christ caused? (granted the world may cause His followers to suffer because the world hates God but the gospel itself has caused no suffering)

2. Even if we take the Prophets at face value, they do nothing to alleviate suffering in the world
When their counsel from God is ignored you're right, they do nothing to alleviate the suffering in the world.

3. Man-made suffering accounts for only a small percentage of human sufferiing the world.
To the contrary, the evil of men has caused un-imaginable suffering.

The vast majority, both now and throughout history, has been from disease (malaria being the number 1 killer), other illnesses (cancer etc) and environmental factors like famine. Whatever the cause of the suffering, God does nothing.
Really? Men do a great many things to make themselves sick which they could have avoided by simply following God's instructions on things from diet to sex. Quite a few famines have been the result of man imposed conditions.

As for God doing nothing as you claim, God is under no obligation to aid those who disobey Him. He does consistantly and constantly aid those who do obey Him so if you're not seeing God's work in your life perhaps it is because of that 'do not enter' sign you've put up.
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Originally Posted by BondiHarry View Post

As for God doing nothing as you claim, God is under no obligation to aid those who disobey Him. He does consistantly and constantly aid those who do obey Him so if you're not seeing God's work in your life perhaps it is because of that 'do not enter' sign you've put up.
So according to you He only helps those who deserve His help, yes?
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Originally Posted by SkyWriting View Post
It's an option for everybody. That's not the name I use for Him.
But He's there all right.

There are a few prerequisites. In order for the request to be
not from ones ego, its better to pray for others. The more
actual, real need the other person has, the more likely you'll
be able to get your ego out of the way and see God work
results. Plus you have to give up trying, and just hand it
over to God. That's the ego thing again. It's quite hard.
But eventually you do the work of getting out of the way
and miracles happen right before your eyes.

Like the time I was driving in pouring rain and needed a
dry clearing to pull over and help a disabled person in
need. At the moment I "handed it over" a clearing appeared
and we stepped out of the van onto dry ground.

You would say the clearing was there the whole time.
But only I know the timing that took place in the
dialog in my head. To anybody else, it's was just "good fortune."

Some may live in the world of fortune cookies, while I live in opposite-world with God.
Yes. God makes a dry spot in the rain so you can help someone out, but he couldn't do anything, to use an earlier analogy, to help the millions of lives lost during the holocaust.

This makes perfect sense.

Just like The devout Christian, who's late for work because they can't find their car keys, can send a quick shout-out to god and god will magically help them find their keys so they can be on their merry way. But he can't ease the pain and suffering so many are enduring in the world because lost key are so much more important.

Yes. Perfect sense.

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Originally Posted by British Bulldog View Post
So according to you He only helps those who deserve His help, yes?
If you were familiar with God's word in the Bible you would know the answer to that. If you're not familiar with God's word in the Bible I would hope you would compare whatever I might say about who God helps with what the Bible says. And what I've said is that God is under no obligation to help those who do not obey Him and, ONCE AGAIN, if you were familiar with the Bible NONE of us 'deserve' God's help as we all have sinned but yes, God does smile upon His adopted children and as a good Father provides for us.
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Originally Posted by BondiHarry View Post
If you were familiar with God's word in the Bible you would know the answer to that. If you're not familiar with God's word in the Bible I would hope you would compare whatever I might say about who God helps with what the Bible says. And what I've said is that God is under no obligation to help those who do not obey Him and, ONCE AGAIN, if you were familiar with the Bible NONE of us 'deserve' God's help as we all have sinned but yes, God does smile upon His adopted children and as a good Father provides for us.
So that's a yes then, with all the problems for you that that answer involves.
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Originally Posted by British Bulldog View Post
So that's a yes then, with all the problems for you that that answer involves.
Sigh (I said check the Bible, you'll find the answer in the Bible and you got the answer wrong).

He makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
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Originally Posted by BondiHarry View Post
Sigh (I said check the Bible, you'll find the answer in the Bible and you got the answer wrong).

He makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
And then He sits back and ignores everything that happens. You won't find any evidence to the contrary. When you are next scared witless, remember that.
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Originally Posted by British Bulldog View Post
And then He sits back and ignores everything that happens. You won't find any evidence to the contrary. When you are next scared witless, remember that.
My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to always be ready, no matter when it may overtake me.
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God does not give us the spirit of fear British Bulldog. I am at peace no matter what comes be it violence, poverty or death because I know the Lord is my shepherd and I shall not want.
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Originally Posted by BondiHarry View Post
My religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to always be ready, no matter when it may overtake me.
-Stonewall Jacson

God does not give us the spirit of fear British Bulldog. I am at peace no matter what comes be it violence, poverty or death because I know the Lord is my shepherd and I shall not want.
That's nice. So if you get a horrible cancer next year, as many people will, that'll just be God telling you that you need a bit of pain and misery for the good of your soul.
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