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4 Angels/4 corners/4 winds

In Revelation 7:1 we see 4 angels standing on the 4 corners of the earth, holding back the 4 winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. These angels were commanded not to hurt the earth, or the sea, nor trees until the servants of God are sealed in their foreheads.

So it would be fair to say that these 4 angels bring forth judgments upon the earth, sea, and trees by way of the winds from the 4 corners. I believe these 4 angels are symbolized in scripture in many ways,and the judgments they bring can be both good for some, but bad for others depending on the will of God.

In 1 Chronicles 9:24 we see 4 porters are set over the 4 quarters of the house of the Tabernacle of the Lord. The directions they covered would be east, west, north, and south. In verse 26 we see there were 4 Levites who were the 4 Chief Porters over the chambers, and were set over the treasuries of the House of the Lord. We also see in verse 28 that certain of the porters were set over the ministering vessels of the Lords house.

I believe these treasures of the Lords house are shown to us in Exodus 19:5 when the Lord said his people would be a peculiar treasure unto Him above all people. And also in Psalm 135:4 the Lord said he had chosen Israel for his peculiar treasure. So we can we see why the Lords people are sealed in Revelation 7:2 before the winds of judgment are loosed.

Also the fact that these porters were set over the ministering vessels of the house of the Lord even shows us how these are also to help the Lords saints. These ministering vessels represent the ministering spirits as seen in Hebrews 1:7;"And of the angels he says, Who makes his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire." In Hebrews 1:14 we are told; "Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for them who shall be the heirs of salvation."

So these winds sent forth by the 4 angels not only send forth judgment, but they can also minister to Gods will in his saints. In John 3:8 Jesus compared those who were born of the Holy Spirit to the wind. Jesus said the wind blows where it will, and you hear the sound of it, but you cannot tell where it comes from, or where it goes: such are those who are born of the Spirit.

We see the good winds of change blowing in Ezekiel 37:9 when the Lord told Ezekiel to prophesy to the wind, so that the 4 winds would come and breath back life into the slain of the house of Israel.

But we also see in Ezekiel 7:2 how these judgments can be sent forth upon the 4 corners of the land by way of the Lords anger, just like the 4 winds of judgment are held back by the 4 angels in Revelation 7:1. The fact that the 4 angels are standing on the 4 corners of the earth to deliver these winds of change tells me that the effects of these winds shall be global.

But the good news is for those who have been sealed by God. The Lords elect need not worry, or be afraid of the things to come upon the earth by reason of this great tempest that is soon to blow. For truly the flesh profits nothing, but it is the Spirit that makes alive.

And just as there is bitterness sent forth from the 4 winds, we also see the sweet sent forth in Matthew 24:31;"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of the trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
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I was just studying this SpiritInTruth, so glad you brought this up, heres something kool I caught, you mention the same in your post (thank you)

Notice how these are "worded" between each other?

Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

2Thes 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

2Cr 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Romans 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Heb 1:7 and his ministers a flame of fire.
Now here...


Exodus 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fireout of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.


Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
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Have you ever noticed the description of the table of ministration seen in Exodus 25:23-40? There are some deep spiritual symbolisms shown in the design of this table, and the instruments given for the ministration of the ark of testimony.

The measure of the table was a total of 4.5 cubits, or 81 inches; which is 9x9 just like the 9x9 breast piece of the High priest that was to be doubled over for a sign of time. The border of the table of ministration had a crown of gold on it, and it was 3 and a half inches wide; just as Jesus's ministry started when he was about 30, and was thought to have ended 3 and a half years later when he was crucified. This is also a sign of how the Lords 2 witnesses who would prophesy for 1,260 days, or 3.6 years, as seen in Revelation.

In Exodus 25:26 you see there were 4 gold rings on the 4 corners of the table, just like the 4 angels who were on the 4 corners of the earth in Revelation 7:1. In Exodus 25:27 we see the rings in the 4 corners were given to hold the 2 staves(witnesses) that would bear the table of ministration, just as the 2 staves(witnesses) would also bear the Ark of Testimony, or the (Word of God.)

This pure table would also hold the 12 loaves of Holy bread on it, just as there was 12 apostles sent forth to feed the multitudes, and just as there were 12 tribes sealed in Revelations (in their) foreheads.

There is alot more to be seen in the instruments of ministration, and the design of the tabernacle, but very few are able to recieve them.
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Yes I see the numbers and know I miss it when in comparing I do not count right, however DOING the math and counting in every figure, you can forget it you will lose me, as long as I see Christ which I do even in the first tabernacle still yet standing (but not the worldly sanctuary) but the tabernacle of God (to wit God was in Christ), "destroy THIS temple" and everything "pops out" within the patern (if the first veil) and the second (together) first (veil) the "shewbread"... ye "do shew the Lords death... and second (veil) "hidden manna"

In Jesus Christ, the Word made flesh...


Of the first covenant, which had ordinances and a "worldly" sanctuary

Heb 9:2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. (which ye do shew/bread)

Heb 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; (wherein was the Ark, the "hidden manna" etc)

Heb 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone (type for Christ our High preist, which went not in once a year as they) but once and for all

However (by these)

Heb 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Again...

Heb 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

John 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

So likewise....


John 2:19, 21Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. But he spake of the temple of his body.

When he was crucified...


Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

The ark is behind "the second veil" and likewise...

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, (((( and there)))) was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Heb 9:12... by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

2Cr 6:41 Now thereforearise, O LORD God, into thy resting place, thou, and the ark of thy strength: let thy priests, O LORD God, be clothed with salvation, and let thy saints rejoice in goodness.



Heb 10:19Having therefore, brethren,boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Heb 8:2A minister of the sanctuary , and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.



Or we can run it this way (love reordering these things till Jesus Christ really pops out as the Word of God in according to the patern, just by adding into it a verse or two

Heb 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

John 17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

So likewise....

John 2:19, 21Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. But he spake of the temple of his body.

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dippedin blood: and his name is called The Word of God.


Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veilof the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, (((( and there)))) was seen in his temple the ark of his testament:and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Heb 9:12... by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Heb 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:


Heb 10:19Having therefore, brethren,boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;





Even in vesture of four parts even as the river that went out of Eden was parted four ways likewise and that which speaks of the four winds and the elect from the same. This way too

Duet 22:20 Thou shalt make thee fringes upon the four quarters of thy vesture, wherewith thou coverest thyself.

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dippedin blood: and his name is called The Word of God.



Heb 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail

John 19:23 Then the soldiers,when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and madefour parts,to every soldier a part;

If I keep it simple, I can see Jesus Christ but if it gets complicated with numbers Im not one counted with the wisdom to "count" much of anything lol. But I still get alot out of your posts just in the figures and love it.

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Good work, and well said. Alot of people do not realize how the natural law, and the ordinances given in the law were just a shadow of things to come, but not the very image of those things. The Lord usually shows things first in the natural, to reflect on a much deeper spiritual meaning.

And the Lord usually shows things on a small scale first, to reflect on a much larger scale to come. The old testament is full of deep symbolisms and spiritual insights, for those who have been given eyes to see them. Without setting your heart to understand the spiritual insights given in the law and prophets, it would be like only getting a small portion of the pieces to a much greater puzzle.
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Good work, and well said. Alot of people do not realize how the natural law, and the ordinances given in the law were just a shadow of things to come, but not the very image of those things. The Lord usually shows things first in the natural, to reflect on a much deeper spiritual meaning.

And the Lord usually shows things on a small scale first, to reflect on a much larger scale to come. The old testament is full of deep symbolisms and spiritual insights, for those who have been given eyes to see them. Without setting your heart to understand the spiritual insights given in the law and prophets, it would be like only getting a small portion of the pieces to a much greater puzzle.
Your'e so right, what an addiction it becomes in searching these things out so as to prove Jesus Christ. Its a glorious thing (in itself) to pinpoint all of that which speaks of our Lord and how God (Great in wisdom) cleverly concealed Him. How He changes the way you examine them too and now its a constant watching how His words wrap him up and then (suddenly) "present Him" (to you).. The earthly patern just "dissolves" (catching it aright) and He becomes (((THIS HUGE))) whereas before you knew it but you didnt see it. He is amazing!

I find it absolutely astounding how one book can be read for (my) 24 years (of reading it) and still get my mind blown daily, and yes I know its not the book alone but hearing the voice of His words And really it shouldnt surprise me given its inspired of Him and testifies of Him, and He is of power...but wow!

You are into more of the smaller details then I am. I havent even gotten to alot of those, I want to be sure I got the wrap correctly laid out before heading to the littler details, I think that helps too (well for me it does)

All I can say is wow, and "Thank God". And I want to say its very refreshing to meet someone on these forums who loves diving into these things and is quite easy to talk to. Though not always easy to understand when it comes to "the numbers" SpiritInTruth, but I think you know that. Im fine if I just focus on "the patern of" numbers (not the mathematics). I can look past it and not let it trip me up, your posts still bless me

Peace to you
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Truly the numbers given in scripture are a language of their own, and just as there are many tongues whereby men speak, numbers can also be learned by way of the Holy Spirit. And just like the scriptures, when searched out by faith in Gods ability to reveal them, they also can be revealed to you.

When you get into the design of the Tabernacle shown to Moses, or the design of theTemple given to Ezekiel, without understanding the numbers you would be lost. But when you begin to see the pattern forming in the numbers, and begin to understand the design, you rejoice in seeing the work of the wise Master builder.

After all Jesus was a Carpenter. Peace.
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Amen SpiritInTruth, the finest there is for sure

Acts 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? Hath not my hand made all these things?

And likewise...

1Cr 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heedhow he buildeth thereupon.

1Cr 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Acts 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

Even His words are as nails (if they keep my words they will keep yours also) Given of one

Ecc 12:11The words of the wise areas goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd.


Hey, you know SpiritIntruth I was thinking of heading down to Christianscriptures and opening a single thread showing paterns of Christ, I know you must have tons of them, if you cant find an "in" for them anywhere feel free to share them there, I havent opened one yet but I so love these things of Him and theres really hardly any topics I find very interesting, or centered on Christ or showing (by scriptures) how something interlocks, and I love those things! I'll PM you when I open the thread but sure would love to have you join if so led to

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