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Are all things are lawful?

“All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be enslaved by anything.
1 Corinthians 6:12
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I voted no because it is not lawful for me to throw stones at someone but then again I doubt me and paul are talking about the same thing.

=( I should have voted for "not sure" I guess
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Originally Posted by OpenDoor View Post
“All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be enslaved by anything.
1 Corinthians 6:12
One would need a good definition of lawful . Since none was given , I used the idea that I am not under a set of religious rules written down by this or that group or person .

So , I voted "yes" .

It would have been nice to have the option of "are most things lawful for me " .
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Originally Posted by OpenDoor View Post
“All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be enslaved by anything.
1 Corinthians 6:12
I voted yes - in the sense that we are not under the law anymore. All things may be lawful for me but all things are not appropriate, advisable, or beneficial for me - that is the distinction.

lawful - comes from ek - out of, from, by, away from and eimi - to be, to exist, to happen, to be present "it is lawful" - away from the law - to be present from the law - to exist away from the law

But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident:. . . .Galatians 3:11
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us:. . . Galatians 3:13


BUT I exercise the ability through Christ not to let what I allow to dominate me - I exercise self control. I am temperate in all things and keep myself in subjection - as Paul said:

1 Corinthians 9:25-27 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperte in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

We also need to remember: For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. (1 Co. 6:20)

Before we do ANYTHING we should question - Will this glorify God? Is the consequence of my decision going to benefit me or harm me (is it expedient?) in my fellowship with God?
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The thing is, the lawful phrase, is in quotes, as also in 1 cor 10. I think Paul was actually quoting a mindset or saying, among the Corinthians, whereby they might have been needing some balance, by Paul, hence, his reply in both passages. These are the same people who were eating, while others went hungry, at the table of the Lord, probably thinking it was "freedom".

1 Cor 10:23 “All things are lawful,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful,” but not all things build
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Yes because Paul isn't stating that murder or adultery is now ok. Context means a lot here.
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if anyone votes yes - consider this question... is it lawful for me to wilfully commit idolatry or participate directly in pagan practises? Somehow these go directly in the face of the first commandment which was spoken from heaven to Moses by God in the presence of thousands of witnesses and corroborated by the person who we believe to be the ultimate source of authority for all Christian believers.


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Originally Posted by cyberlizard View Post
if anyone votes yes - consider this question... is it lawful for me to wilfully commit idolatry or participate directly in pagan practises? Somehow these go directly in the face of the first commandment which was spoken from heaven to Moses by God in the presence of thousands of witnesses and corroborated by the person who we believe to be the ultimate source of authority for all Christian believers.


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Consider it considered and rejected .

You are only bringing those up because the Law talks about those things . The Law was made for those that *want* to commit idolatry and *want* to participate directly in pagan practices . Those that don't want to do those things don't need the Law - do they ? And , those for whom the Law was made ( those that *want* to do those things ) will not benefit from observing the Law . They are still guilty of idolatry and in participating in pagan practices by their desires .
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To live in the flesh is to be under the curse of the natural law, and by the natural law of the flesh we were once a slave to sin.

But when we are born a new by the Spirit of God we are freed from that old fleshy man, and that natural law which did bind us, so that the righteousness of God working in us might fulfill the true spiritual law of Love.

The Law is spiritual, but man is carnal, sold under sin; that is until the time would come that the Light of the Truth should set him free.
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Originally Posted by New_Wineskin View Post
Consider it considered and rejected .

You are only bringing those up because the Law talks about those things . The Law was made for those that *want* to commit idolatry and *want* to participate directly in pagan practices . Those that don't want to do those things don't need the Law - do they ? And , those for whom the Law was made ( those that *want* to do those things ) will not benefit from observing the Law . They are still guilty of idolatry and in participating in pagan practices by their desires .


sounds a lot like the ancient rabbinic parable about Solomon and the Yod.

in it, Solomon whilst he was copying the Torah as a king is commanded to do, he inadvertently missed a yod (the smallest Hebrew letter). The passage he was copying was where it says a king should not multiply for himself horses and wives... by dropping the yod, the text read that he should gain more wives and horses.

the moral of the story... just because you understand the spirit of the law does not give the right to ignore the letter of it.


Steve

p.s. following your logic, the teaching of Jesus has little sway as he thought it of significant import as well.
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