I'm leaving CF.

Christiangamer · #1 9th December 2003, 11:44 PM

Ok, I know i just joined CF not long ago, but I'm leaving.

I came to CF out of curiosity, to look for others who were like me, and to be able to discuss my ideas. Unfortunately, this site isnt for me. I'm not leaving out of hate, though. I'm leaving because I guess I'm not like other christians, at least not like the ones here, whom a bunch are bible thumping fundamentalists. Please take no offense. And please don't accuse me of bein the devil's advocate either, thats not the case at all. Its just that ever since i came here, ive become i knew person, that i dont like being. I've become judgmental, depressed at how the world is, and I struggled with my faith more than ever. Before I came here, I had/have "sinful" ways, but my love for God was strong. I didnt need the bible, heck to me its like the tree of knowledge. Knowing right from wrong can destroy you in my oppinion, it's doin it to me. Plus, I also question its validity as the word of God, (please don't flame me.) I was happier following my heart on what was right or wrong, and I'd like to go back that way. I dont want to watch movies, or listen to music, or hang out with friends and worry if I, or others were displeasing God. I want to please God, but not by following all "His" rules, but by loving others and accepting them/tolerating them for who they are, (satanists excluded, they are my only enemies

) That may sound cheap, but a lot of people here aren't like that. They raise arguments with everyone, trying to make everything wrong. Their christian "love" for others is about as sincere as a crooked car salesman's "have a nice day!" I respect you for your ways, but this isnt the place for me.

But before I go, I would just like to say that I am NOT turning my back on God, denying Him, or taking sides with Satan. I just want to be who I am, do what I like to do, follow my heart, and when I go to heaven I can say to God. "Life was a blast, thank you." Please don't judge me, I'm not the only one like this, others just aren't psyched so much about their faith that they want to frequently discuss it.

You may wonder why I took the time to do this questionable post on my "questionable" decision, well I guess I'd just like to say bye, and say "please don't judge others, it's not people's actions, its what in their hearts that count." Pray for me..thank you. God bless and good bye.

jbarcher · #2 9th December 2003, 11:56 PM

It's your choice.

God has set the path that He wants His followers to take, and if they don't, well, that's their choice. IMO, God's path is the most difficult and the most beneficial. True virtue can only come through affliction. Searching for happiness is ignoring eternal things.

seebs · #3 10th December 2003, 01:01 AM

I think you are making a wise choice. For many years, Christians caused be to stumble, by being arrogant, judgmental, and as far as I could imagine from what God was like. I finally got to a point where I can still believe in God despite the atrocious behavior of many of His followers.

Gandhi said, once, that he was considering becoming a Christian, until he met one.

ddlewis86 · #4 10th December 2003, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by Christiangamer

Ok, I know i just joined CF not long ago, but I'm leaving.

I came to CF out of curiosity, to look for others who were like me, and to be able to discuss my ideas. Unfortunately, this site isnt for me. I'm not leaving out of hate, though. I'm leaving because I guess I'm not like other christians, at least not like the ones here, whom a bunch are bible thumping fundamentalists. Please take no offense. And please don't accuse me of bein the devil's advocate either, thats not the case at all. Its just that ever since i came here, ive become i knew person, that i dont like being. I've become judgmental, depressed at how the world is, and I struggled with my faith more than ever. Before I came here, I had/have "sinful" ways, but my love for God was strong. I didnt need the bible, heck to me its like the tree of knowledge. Knowing right from wrong can destroy you in my oppinion, it's doin it to me.

John 9:40-41

40Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, "What? Are we blind too?"
41Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

Plus, I also question its validity as the word of God, (please don't flame me.) I was happier following my heart on what was right or wrong, and I'd like to go back that way. I dont want to watch movies, or listen to music, or hang out with friends and worry if I, or others were displeasing God. I want to please God, but not by following all "His" rules, but by loving others and accepting them/tolerating them for who they are, (satanists excluded, they are my only enemies ) That may sound cheap, but a lot of people here aren't like that. They raise arguments with everyone, trying to make everything wrong. Their christian "love" for others is about as sincere as a crooked car salesman's "have a nice day!" I respect you for your ways, but this isnt the place for me.

John 14:26

But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

Including the writing down of God's Word

John 1:3-5

3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

But before I go, I would just like to say that I am NOT turning my back on God, denying Him, or taking sides with Satan. I just want to be who I am, do what I like to do, follow my heart, and when I go to heaven I can say to God. "Life was a blast, thank you." Please don't judge me, I'm not the only one like this, others just aren't psyched so much about their faith that they want to frequently discuss it.

It sounds to me like you have been convicted by the Holy Spirit. Conviction is a painful thing that often turns people away from Christ and His example or "set of rules" as you call it. The thing is there are no "set of rules" only "free will". Either you have the Holy Spirit or you don't. That is a question only YOU and God can answer my friend.

You may wonder why I took the time to do this questionable post on my "questionable" decision, well I guess I'd just like to say bye, and say "please don't judge others, it's not people's actions, its what in their hearts that count." Pray for me..thank you. God bless and good bye.

Actually brother. Paul commands us to judge our brothers in Christ. If we do not judge them then who will? You are saying that you know the truth. You are saying that you know what Christ wishes from you as a Christian yet you are unwilling to adhere to Christ's expectation. That IS what Church discipline is all about my brother. That is exactly what Paul talks about when he tells us to take the matter to the individual. If that doesn't rectify the situation you take it to the leadership of the Church. If that doesn't work you hand that man over to satan so that he may see the evilness of his ways. You are saying that you want the salvation yet you don't want to feel the conviction of a sinful lifestyle. Once you know the truth you are no longer "blind". Once you are no longer "blind"----------Your guilt remains. It is only through repentance and acceptance of the Holy Spirit that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ. I will say a prayer for you brother. I hope you will reconsider your position.

signed,

A "Bible Thumpin Fundie"

PS>>>The next question is: Can someone that is indwelled with the Holy Spirit ALSO willfully IGNORE God's Word? Think about it. Don't be too quick to answer.

Hey I just noticed you are part of a United Methodist Youth Group. I grew up in the Methodist Church and was a very active member in our youth group. Lots of great memories and wonderful learning experiences. You have a lot of life in front of you. Stick around here a bit longer and weed through some of us hardliners! God bless YOU!

msjones21 · #5 11th December 2003, 05:22 PM

Well, it makes me sad you feel the way you do. I guess when I was 15 I wanted to make excuses for having fun, living life the way I wanted to as well.

Jacob4Jesus · #6 11th December 2003, 05:28 PM

Good luck in life. I think it's good that you are being yourself. Peace and love is what is most important and I think that God will be happy you choce love and tolerance as your path. Just keep in mind that you are taking a long path, as you are still very young, and there will be many places God has yet to take you. Bless you in your journeys.

Svt4Him · #7 12th December 2003, 01:40 PM

Well go follow your heart. But realize a few things.

Jer. 17: 9"The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?

No wonder you may not like it here. You obviously want no other authority except what feels good to you. Am I judging? One of the most misquoted verses in the Bible.The world often takes this verse out of context and uses it to accuse Christians of being "judgmental" when they speak of sin. In the context of the verse Jesus is telling His disciples not to judge one another, something the Bible condemns (Romans 14:10; James 4:11). In Luke 6:41,42 He speaks of seeing a speck in a brother’s eye. In John 7:24 He said, "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." If someone steals, lies, commits adultery or murder, etc., the Christian can make a (righteous) moral judgment and say that the actions were morally wrong, and that these sins will have eternal consequences. Chuck Colson said, "True tolerance is not a total lack of judgment. It’s knowing what should be tolerated—and refusing to tolerate that which shouldn’t."

Spicy McHaggis · #8 12th December 2003, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Christiangamer

I came to CF out of curiosity, to look for others who were like me, and to be able to discuss my ideas. Unfortunately, this site isnt for me. I'm not leaving out of hate, though. I'm leaving because I guess I'm not like other christians, at least not like the ones here, whom a bunch are bible thumping fundamentalists. Please take no offense. And please don't accuse me of bein the devil's advocate either, thats not the case at all. Its just that ever since i came here, ive become i knew person, that i dont like being. I've become judgmental, depressed at how the world is, and I struggled with my faith more than ever. Before I came here, I had/have "sinful" ways, but my love for God was strong. I didnt need the bible, heck to me its like the tree of knowledge. Knowing right from wrong can destroy you in my oppinion, it's doin it to me. Plus, I also question its validity as the word of God, (please don't flame me.) I was happier following my heart on what was right or wrong, and I'd like to go back that way. I dont want to watch movies, or listen to music, or hang out with friends and worry if I, or others were displeasing God. I want to please God, but not by following all "His" rules, but by loving others and accepting them/tolerating them for who they are, (satanists excluded, they are my only enemies ) That may sound cheap, but a lot of people here aren't like that. They raise arguments with everyone, trying to make everything wrong. Their christian "love" for others is about as sincere as a crooked car salesman's "have a nice day!" I respect you for your ways, but this isnt the place for me.
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Sounds like you can sum up your statement with "Once I know what's right and wrong I'll be accountable for my actions, therefore I don't want to know right from wrong." Which, IMO, is taking the easy way out. Problem is, you've been exposed to the word of God, and you are accountable for your actions. Everybody wants to get to Heaven, but nobody wants to put in the work. People like eating hamburgers, but nobody wants to slaughter a cow. etc. Heaven isn't a right that you're given on your own terms.

I've never responded to your posts other than this one, so I'm thinking that I'm not one of the people who "Judged and flamed you in the past", but since this is a discussion board, it draws people who like to argue. Back in the day thet were known as Pharisees, and Jesus Himself wouldn't waste His time trying to teach someone who didn't want to learn, but only sought to argue. I'm sorry that those types have soured your experience.

Anywho, good luck in your journey, try to keep your eyes open. If you ever come back, PM me so I can get in on some conversations with you. Not everybody here is typical of who you've encountered thus far.

Later,

eN

Spicy McHaggis · #9 12th December 2003, 02:18 PM

Oh yeah, and before you split. With the name "gamer", you mind telling me what type of Games?

I'm pretty much just DnD 3.5 these days.

Rainbow. · #10 12th December 2003, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Christiangamer

Ok, I know i just joined CF not long ago, but I'm leaving.

I came to CF out of curiosity, to look for others who were like me, and to be able to discuss my ideas. Unfortunately, this site isnt for me. I'm not leaving out of hate, though. I'm leaving because I guess I'm not like other christians, at least not like the ones here, whom a bunch are bible thumping fundamentalists. Please take no offense. And please don't accuse me of bein the devil's advocate either, thats not the case at all. Its just that ever since i came here, ive become i knew person, that i dont like being. I've become judgmental, depressed at how the world is, and I struggled with my faith more than ever. Before I came here, I had/have "sinful" ways, but my love for God was strong. I didnt need the bible, heck to me its like the tree of knowledge. Knowing right from wrong can destroy you in my oppinion, it's doin it to me. Plus, I also question its validity as the word of God, (please don't flame me.) I was happier following my heart on what was right or wrong, and I'd like to go back that way. I dont want to watch movies, or listen to music, or hang out with friends and worry if I, or others were displeasing God. I want to please God, but not by following all "His" rules, but by loving others and accepting them/tolerating them for who they are, (satanists excluded, they are my only enemies ) That may sound cheap, but a lot of people here aren't like that. They raise arguments with everyone, trying to make everything wrong. Their christian "love" for others is about as sincere as a crooked car salesman's "have a nice day!" I respect you for your ways, but this isnt the place for me.

But before I go, I would just like to say that I am NOT turning my back on God, denying Him, or taking sides with Satan. I just want to be who I am, do what I like to do, follow my heart, and when I go to heaven I can say to God. "Life was a blast, thank you." Please don't judge me, I'm not the only one like this, others just aren't psyched so much about their faith that they want to frequently discuss it.

You may wonder why I took the time to do this questionable post on my "questionable" decision, well I guess I'd just like to say bye, and say "please don't judge others, it's not people's actions, its what in their hearts that count." Pray for me..thank you. God bless and good bye.

Goodbye, and be blessed.
The only thing i would say to you is this. You shouldn't let the words or acts of others bring you down, or make a judgement on all the people who come to this site. There may be many who think like you, and therefore you could have fellowship with them. I have met many people on here, who i disagree with or find hard to accept, but i won't allow them to make me judge others or take away one thing in which i believe in.I remeber a time when a few posts really upset me and i felt the same as you, but praying and compassion gave me a change of heart, and i then met so many lovely people who reinforced my faith and understanding and im so glad i stayed!

But, if you feel you will be happy away from this site, then follow your heart and leave, but know that many people will accept you back with open arms and without judgement if you ever decide to return. If you ever need a friend to speak with them you can contact me on aim or yahoo.

God bless x