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I was thinking after a conversation today with a friend about intolerance and fighting in the world past and present. A lot of finger pointing goes on. " Its the Muslims fault. "Its the Christians or atheists fault" etc and the fighting goes on.
If you want a tolerant peaceful world to live in you need to be a tolerant peaceful person. It starts with us right now! Not once we have sorted everyone else out.
It might mean calling someone with completeley opposing views to you neighbor and friend. You may neither of you accept each others views as your own, but that is not important. It does not matter.
What do you think?
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17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
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If you want a tolerant peaceful world to live in you need to be a tolerant peaceful person. It starts with us right now! Not once we have sorted everyone else out.
It might mean calling someone with completeley opposing views to you neighbor and friend. You may neither of you accept each others views as your own, but that is not important. It does not matter.
What do you think?
Well, some people just can't tolerated neighbors who shoot at them, and fly airplanes into the office buildings where they work.
Some people are funny that way. 
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28th May 2011, 09:31 AM
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Reps: 254,924,293,968,544,768 (power: 254,924,293,968,563) | | Originally Posted by Spiritlight I was thinking after a conversation today with a friend about intolerance and fighting in the world past and present. A lot of finger pointing goes on. " Its the Muslims fault. "Its the Christians or atheists fault" etc and the fighting goes on.
If you want a tolerant peaceful world to live in you need to be a tolerant peaceful person. It starts with us right now! Not once we have sorted everyone else out.
It might mean calling someone with completeley opposing views to you neighbor and friend. You may neither of you accept each others views as your own, but that is not important. It does not matter.
What do you think?
It's easier to tolerate others when your plate is full, and no one much interferes in your life either (and we still aren't very good at it), but much of the world lives in poverty and opression. 
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I have known a lot of people who were in or came from destitute poverty. I find that Americans can be much more intolerant, despite our wealth than many very poor people.
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It depends on the people.
But, you're right, you do have to have a certain sense of cultural or economic entitlement to learn to hate others.
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If you want a tolerant peaceful world to live in you need to be a tolerant peaceful person. It starts with us right now! Not once we have sorted everyone else out.
It might mean calling someone with completeley opposing views to you neighbor and friend. You may neither of you accept each others views as your own, but that is not important. It does not matter.
What do you think?
I think that works fine until you encounter someone who doesnt wish to be tolerant. What happens then? I dont think there is any way to be tolerant of people who believe that force and violence is a proper way of dealing with others. And there are a lot of those people out there.
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Like most any word, by itself "tolerance" is meaningless. I get the impression that what most people really mean by it is "leave me alone and let me do whatever I want to do." The problem, as many have pointed out, is what happens when someone won't leave you alone. Sorry to say it, but there is evil in the world.
So, "tolerance" doesn't mean anything until it is rooted in a world view of what is tolerable and what isn't.
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Reps: 251,475,538,290,687,968 (power: 251,475,538,290,696) | | Originally Posted by lordbt I think that works fine until you encounter someone who doesnt wish to be tolerant. What happens then? I dont think there is any way to be tolerant of people who believe that force and violence is a proper way of dealing with others. And there are a lot of those people out there.
Yet Jesus and Peter were tolerant and forgiving of their tormentors.
As a fundamentalist who follows a more literal translation of the Almighty's Words I must say that tolerance is one of my favorite pieces of nonsense, as understood by the world today. What we have is tolerance for the sake of tolerance. We allow people to get away with the most asinine of things solely because we must and we cannot be viewed as heathens or intolerant hate-mongerers.
As an example: God condemns homosexuality. Few sins are treated with as much vicious and violent animosity from Heaven as homosexuality. Yet Christians, these days, who do not tolerate openly homosexual couples are intolerant and bigotted, holier-than-thou heathens. We are being mocked and despised for refusing to open our Churchs and allow them to violate the Holy Rites of Marriage. In many places the law in intervening and commanding we must marry homosexual couples despite our Church doctrines and our Holy Commandments. Is this tolerance? What about us and our beliefs?
The idea behind tolerance is that we must accomodate everyone when, in truth, you cannot accomodate everyone. You cannot make everyone happy all the time. Tolerating one thing is to be intolerant toward another.
Yet now I come across as a hate-monger. Are we cursed to live in hate? Absolutely not - some of my best friends are homosexual. Does this mean I tolerate them being wed before the eyes of the Lord? Absolutely not, for my part. Tolerance is not the same thing as acceptance. I will accept them being openly homosexual, I will not tolerate them being wed in a Church.
Please do not think I am attempting to turn this thread into some gay-bashing monstrosity. I was simply using homosexuality as an example. 
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And yet ... in the 'Society' section we have threads which see nothing wrong with necrophilia, which thinks imprisoning a war criminal is wrong simply because he's old, and which thinks male circumcision is child abuse.
Similarly in the 'Christian Only' sections we have a racist who thinks Christianity is only for white people, a thread saying the Japanese tsunami was a punishment from God, and another which calls the death of Osama Bin Laden unjust.
The impression I get is that it's OK to blame a whole group for something only a few of it's members commited but we aren't allowed to judge individuals, no matter how bigoted or plain stupid they may be. Seems a bit odd. 
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36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[ a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[ b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
I guess if can hate ourselves and can be intolerant of our own selves it then would be also acceptable to do this to others. we dont seem to be asked to hate anyone.. and shouldn't
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12 Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, to acknowledge those who work hard among you, who care for you in the Lord and who admonish you. 13 Hold them in the highest regard in love because of their work. Live in peace with each other. 14 And we urge you, brothers and sisters, warn those who are idle and disruptive, encourage the disheartened, help the weak, be patient with everyone. 15 Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always strive to do what is good for each other and for everyone else.
If we dont want our children and our childrens children killing each other becauseof stupid things we have to be an example of love to this world.
People are repulsed by our faith because of the bigotry they see in places.
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