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attacks come before the Blessing

Tonight I heard it again. I was listening to a sermon online and the Pastor talked about how the devil comes against you in severe attacks when you are moving forward with God. He said that the amount of the attack is related to the amount that we have stepped out for God. The greater the attack , the greater that the blessing that is coming.

So how about it. Is this biblical ? I know that we are often tested before the blessing comes .

I have mixed feelings about this. I have heard it preached a hundred times.

Is it true ?
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Thank you a million for posting this! I cannot explain to you how evident this is in my life right now. People, friends and mentors, in my life have pointed out to me that what I am going through is indeed an attack, and I agree with them. It's a horrible feeling. It almost feels like criticism or a sign of disapproval from God. But that's what the Enemy would like for you to think and is a bold-face LIE. CS Lewis once said that pain is God's megaphone--but he didn't mean a megaphone of criticism. Maybe God can use the pain that this world inflicts in order to tell us that He is with us in that pain. What a blessing to find Him where we least expect! Pain humbles us, and draws us closer to God. Those 2 things are some of the most important things in life to me, and gives our lives meaning. It is truly a blessing. Does God want us to suffer? No, because he is LOVE.

One of my favorite quotations is: I asked God for strength and he gave me obstacles so I can rebuild that strength myself.

I'm not sure how biblical this is, but it's my belief from deep down in my soul that he gives us battles to overcome, to 1. be strong and 2. be able to ENJOY the fruits of that once we ARE strong.
A reference that is biblical however, is Jer. For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
This we can count on.

To answer your question, "is it true?" I would have to say, yes, people's lives tell us it's true.

Your post however, is more specific, asking what we have to look forward to . I don't posses psychic abilities, as far as I know, so I can't really answer what "rainbow" we can look forward to after this "storm." We have a limited perspective. But what is truly important isn't what we get out of it, anyway.

That's like going up to an artist who painted a canvas and saying, "Hey, what does this mean, anyway? I don't give a ---- about you, I wanna know how it affects me. Is the painting about washing dishes?
And the artist says, "It can be..."

It's important we don't loose the sight of why we have this faith in the first place. >>>Jesus.
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Paul states, "So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand." Romans 7:21

But I think the preacher was exagerating quite a bit. There's nothing that says, "the greater the attack, the greater that the blessing that is coming" that I'm aware of.
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Originally Posted by Faulty View Post
Paul states, "So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand." Romans 7:21

But I think the preacher was exagerating quite a bit. There's nothing that says, "the greater the attack, the greater that the blessing that is coming" that I'm aware of.
but it makes perfect sense.

the greater the achievement that you are working towards for God's glory, the more the devil will want to upset or stop the progress you are making. his goal after all is to steal, kill, and destroy; so anything that the devil can take away, or put in your path to distract you, or stop your progress entirely is what he is working towards.

the key to getting thru those tough times is to keep on going one step at a time towards the goal that God has given to you, and remember the words of Psalms 23:

He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of my enemies; thou anointest my head with oil, my cup overflows.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the Lord forever.

try telling that to satan and watch him flee!
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Originally Posted by Yitzchak View Post
So how about it. Is this biblical ? I know that we are often tested before the blessing comes .

I have mixed feelings about this. I have heard it preached a hundred times.

Is it true ?
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His favor is for a lifetime;
Weeping may last for the night,
But a shout of joy comes in the morning."

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Originally Posted by pdudgeon View Post
but it makes perfect sense.

the greater the achievement that you are working towards for God's glory, the more the devil will want to upset or stop the progress you are making. his goal after all is to steal, kill, and destroy; so anything that the devil can take away, or put in your path to distract you, or stop your progress entirely is what he is working towards.
Nope. It doesn't make any sense at all.

Neither you nor the devil knows the future. There is no way you would know that something you are working on will bring God glory to a greater degree than more than anything else. Sounds like pride to me, and why would the devil want to stop that?

Now if someone wanted to make the case that God will use attacks to bring about His blessings, which is not even close to the same thing, then you might be onto something, in reference to the satanic attacks on Job, Peter, the persecutions on the Church, and even Jesus.
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Nope. It doesn't make any sense at all.

Neither you nor the devil knows the future. There is no way you would know that something you are working on will bring God glory to a greater degree than more than anything else. Sounds like pride to me, and why would the devil want to stop that?

Now if someone wanted to make the case that God will use attacks to bring about His blessings, which is not even close to the same thing, then you might be onto something, in reference to the satanic attacks on Job, Peter, the persecutions on the Church, and even Jesus.
but it does make sense.
if we are given a task to do ( as are all Christians--to go and baptize, etc.) and satan comes against that, then the attacks will come before the blessings. the full blessings of bringing someone to God come in heaven, the earthly satisfaction is but a small part of that. the devil does not know the future, but he is bent on destroying anything that will glorify God.
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Originally Posted by Faulty View Post

Neither you nor the devil knows the future. There is no way you would know that something you are working on will bring God glory to a greater degree than more than anything else. Sounds like pride to me, and why would the devil want to stop that?

But if the devil has thousands of years of experience in dealing with human behavior and the devil can see things in the Spiritual realm that we cannot. It does seem like the devil , while not all knowing , would know something about where the crucial points of the battle are on the earth.

The scripture indicates that the devil has an organized kingdom and does not attend to everything personally. If there are ranks of demons which each have their assignments , then it would make sense that some things that we do would challenge their territory.

One way I picture it working is that demons have assignments and when someone is successful spiritually and let's say five people get healed and five people get saved through a Christian's ministry and then the demons start reporting back in to the demon that presides over that region . After ten demons report in that they got defeated in their assignments , it could result in the demons calling in re enforcements.

Anyway , my question still is what the scripture says. But I just wanted to weigh in on whether this makes sense or not. I am unclear on why you think it does not make sense. It at least seems possible to me that things could work that way.

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My opinion is that most people never personally interact with the devil. The devil is not all knowing or all present.

We know from scripture that a third of the angels fell with the devil and that there are quite a few angels in number.

What makes sense to me is that the fallen angles have ranks in the devil's kingdom. Some are ranked higher than other with the devil being at the top of the chain of command.

So what makes sense to me is that the devil places certain fallen angels over regions or over certain specific assignments. We know that the devil works through strongholds. So for example , the devil assigns fallen angels to work through Universities and in politics and other arenas to re enforce thinking patterns.Thought systems like Communism or even certain religious systems of thought make the devils job easier.

In other words , the devil does not run himself ragged just randomly doing stuff. he has a strategy and he has millions of fallen angels under his command to help him with that strategy.

In my view , these fallen angels are assigned to families , churches , cities , schools , etc.

There is a passage where the demons spirits that the Jewish guys tried to cast out said that they knew Jesus and they knew Paul but they id not know these guys. I figure they knew Paul by reputation. They probably heard back through the demon grapevine that Paul had spoiled whole cities and there were probably thousands of demons displaced either directly or indirectly through the ministry of Paul.

The apostle Paul may have even gotten a visit from the devil personally.

Anyway , it makes sense to me that if we poke at the devil's kingdom enough , we stir up a hornet's nest. The devil is not all powerful and so he has to assign his forces to where they are likely to be the most help to his cause.

We are dealing with intelligent personalities and not just a "force" that operates like gravity. The demonic kingdom makes adjustments to what we do. At least that is the way that I picture it.

I would imagine that some Christians are puffed up and imagine that thousands of fallen angels are scattering every time they do something. But I don't think that we can rule that out. Sometimes we are in situations where we are a danger to the devil's plans. We have an enemy which tries to stop us by whatever means are at his disposal.
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