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24th May 2011, 09:02 PM
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Reps: 4,898,350,648,859,123,712 (power: 4,898,350,648,859,161) | | Originally Posted by Frogster  Heck, here are not even enough jews to inhabit all the boundaries of Abe, total waste of time. 
There are between 12 and 18 million Jews worldwide of which about 6 million live in present day Israel. Let God worry about that. 
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24th May 2011, 09:04 PM
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Reps: 4,898,350,648,859,123,712 (power: 4,898,350,648,859,161) | | Originally Posted by NvxiaLee Do supporters of Israel not hold a reverent love for Israel and consider Israel sacred?
Nope. Present day Israel is in apostacy. Do they not regard Israel with ardent or adoring esteem or devotion?
Nope. Sounds like worship to me. And, as I said, at least Mary was a godly woman, not an ungodly w[censored, see the Bible) like Israel.
I just answered no to both of your questions. Now what?
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24th May 2011, 09:07 PM
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Okay, the Semitic race. Unless you're trying to say that "Jew" is not a race but a religion, in which case we are Christians and I don't understand why we would be having this conversation. BTW- Can you cite any sources for the information above?
I will never be able to win that one. That's why I asked if you've ever been to the checkpoints. Pay a visit to Gaza Baptist Church. If you never got to know the Arab locals the entire time you were there, then you were participating in the racial segregation just as much as they were. |
24th May 2011, 09:27 PM
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Reps: 4,898,350,648,859,123,712 (power: 4,898,350,648,859,161) | | Originally Posted by Brak Which race is getting their homes bulldozed and getting refused permits to rebuild for arbitrary reasons? Which race is getting knocks on their doors by the IDF demanding immediate payment of their electric bills even when they have never missed a payment...and then get evicted if they don't happen to have the cash on-hand? That race. Originally Posted by Brak Okay, the Semitic race. Unless you're trying to say that "Jew" is not a race but a religion, in which case we are Christians and I don't understand why we would be having this conversation.
We are having this conversation because you said the above. I am trying to figure out what race are having their homes bulldozed and getting refused permits to rebuild, etc. I will never be able to win that one. That's why I asked if you've ever been to the checkpoints. Pay a visit to Gaza Baptist Church. If you never got to know the Arab locals the entire time you were there, then you were participating in the racial segregation just as much as they were.
This is not a matter of winning anything. I've been to Gaza. I've talked to the locals. You know that racial segregation there goes both ways. One would have to be blind to miss the tension between both the Arabs and the Israelites. As far as I am concerned though Israel should have retained Gaza after the six day war since the Oslo accords were a joke and later the terrorist Hamas took advantage of the location for systematically attacking Israel with rockets and terrorism.
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24th May 2011, 09:36 PM
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24th May 2011, 09:51 PM
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You don't believe what? If they retained Gaza why is it that it is still a "Palestinian" territory with a non Israeli governing body?
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24th May 2011, 10:32 PM
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Reps: 310,982,433,439,139,072 (power: 310,982,433,439,146) | | Ishraqiyun, it doesn't look like any Zionist (lover of Israel) is up for the challenge of answering your basic question.
That appears to be the case.
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24th May 2011, 10:53 PM
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24th May 2011, 10:56 PM
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The UN created Israel by vote in 1947. Russia voted for the partition that created Israel.
Got a beef? Take it to the UN pal.
Supporting Israel's right to exist and to defend herself is hardly worship.
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24th May 2011, 11:00 PM
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Reps: 310,982,433,439,139,072 (power: 310,982,433,439,146) | | Supporting Israel's right to exist and to defend herself is hardly worship.
The question wasn't directed to those who simply support the state of Israel but to people who claim that we HAVE to support that state because the OT claims that God will bless those who bless Israel. I'm asking the people who feel that way what the requirements are for a state to qualify as the "Biblical Israel" and therefore [apparently] require unquestioning support and loyalty from Christians.
Personally I don't follow the "Old Testament" , being somewhat of a "marcionite", but many Christians do so this question is important for them.
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I believe it is the fate of the West to again and again link these two basic positions with one another, the one which is critically rational and desires to know, and the one which is mystically irrational and searches for the absolving experience of amity. Both positions will always live in the human soul, and one will always already carry the other as the germ of its opposite.
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