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Purifying of the Jews

Hidden in plain sight the Lord has given us hints and clues as to how, and when he would fulfill his work here on earth. The signs are hidden in the prophets, and the law of Moses for those who can see them. But Jesus himself also gave us a time line in the things he did, and said. In John chapter 2 we see the story of Jesus turning the water into wine. This was more than just an amazing miracle done by the Lord, it was also given to us as a sign of time.

This turning the water into wine would symbolize the water of separation. It would be a sign given to the children of Israel, as a sign of the purification process. Notice in John 2:6 there were 6 water pots used, and also notice we are told they are after the manner of the purifying of the Jews. These 6 water pots were said to contain 2 or 3 firkins apiece. A firkin is the fourth part of a barrel, or 9 gallons. This sign can be shown like this; 6x9=54
6x9=54
6x9=54
I did this to show a cut-off point in time, which is shown in the sign 666, and in the sign 999. The sign 666 can be shown by dividing the kingdom number in half, or 1332. And the sign 999 is shown when you multiply 555x18= 999. This sign of of 9's is shown in the design of the breastplate of judgement in Exodus 28:16. It was to be a span, or 9 inches foursquare; 9+9+9+9= 36. This number is important because if you take 1,980 years and divide it by 36 times you will get 55; which is the sign of 10 days, or 10 times as shown in scripture.

But let me get back to the 6 water pots which had 2 or3 firkins apiece in them. If we take 6 water pots times 2 firkins a piece in them, it would be like 6x18= 108. Now if we divide the year Israel was reborn as a Nation in 1948, and divide it by 18 we get the same result of 108. The sign completes the days of separation as seen in the law. If we divide that 108 by 7+7 or 14 times, or 108 divided by 14 we get the sign 7.7. This is the same sign you'll get if you divide 6,000 years by 777=7.7.

But the purification process is not yet complete, this is just the first part of the process. In Leviticus 12:5 we see the law of separation; notice the first part of the separation was to be 2 weeks, 7+7= 14; this part has been fulfilled in 1948. But notice in the rest of the verse we see the woman was to continue( in the blood of purifying), or wine for 66 more days. This 66 more days will equate into 66 more years from the time Israel became a nation, 1948+66= 2014.

But understand the fulness of the Gentiles must first be complete, this is the falling away point, or the parting of 2 ways. This time is in line with all the other numbers I have been shown, and this time started with the death of the Testator, or Jesus. Our time is based on the birth of Jesus, not his death. But to be in line with scripture it must be when the last (parting of the way) occured, which was when Jesus gave up the ghost on the cross.

This is when the New Covenant peroid began, as seen in Hebrews 9:16-17. If we take this time into account then our time line is off by at least 33 years, and if you subtract 33 years 2011 you will get 1,978 years. In 1,980 years the fulness of the Gentiles shall be complete, or in the year 2013; and then this shall be followed by the remnant( passing over) in the year 2014.

But we must also keep in mind that the Lord said he would make a ( short work) here on earth, because he shall ( cut it short) in righteousness. Truly the Master has saved the best wine for last.

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Isaiah 10:21-23;" The remnant shall return, even( the remnant) of Jacob, unto the mighty God. For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet ( a remnant) of them shall return: the ( consumption decreed) shall overflow with righteousness, For the Lord God of hosts shall make ( a consumption), even determined, in the midst of all the land."
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Hello!

Where do you get your measurements from, regarding the pots of water?
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The firkin is the unit of measure, which by the text I use, and by research on line was shown to be 9 gallons equals 1 firkin. So 2 firkins per 6 pots would be 18 gallons per 6 pots, or 6x18= 108.
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Genesis 46:26; " All the souls that came with Jacob into Egypt, which came out of his loins, besides Jacob's sons wives, all the souls were 66."
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The firkin is the unit of measure, which by the text I use, and by research on line was shown to be 9 gallons equals 1 firkin. So 2 firkins per 6 pots would be 18 gallons per 6 pots, or 6x18= 108.
Gallons, which gallon measurement are you using? I am assuming the US liquid one instead of the dry? Now is it the Corn, Wine or Ale gallon which are all different from each other? Did you know that these were standardized by weight and not volume since there was not a standard size container?

A firkin is also an Old English measurement.

So you would have to know how much the water originally weighted in order to convert to proper pounds.

But how can you justify this with equaling an old measurement since it is an English measurement?


If
1 US gallon = 3.78541178 liters and


1 firkin = 40.9148269 liters


9 x 3.78541178 = 34.06870602

Which is 6.84612088 liters Less than a firkin which is actually almost two full liters short.

According to this you would need 10 gallons to equal a firkin. 10.808553805472650587038644445704 to be exact. Almost 11 not 9, throwing your calculations way off.
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Originally Posted by InSpiritInTruth View Post
Genesis 46:26; " All the souls that came with Jacob into Egypt, which came out of his loins, besides Jacob's sons wives, all the souls were 66."
So? what does that mean? This is not counting Jacob, who Is Israel, as well not counting Joseph who was already there along with his two sons.
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All those things I showed you are a sign of time. Even the firkin, which is a 9 gallon unit of measure. Just as the number 9 is used over and over in scripture as a sign of time. If you don't want to accept the sign the Lord gave us in the water being turned to wine, thats alright. But personally I know, and am convinced by the Holy Spirit that this is more than just a coincidence that Israel was brought back in 1948.

Just as the blood of purifying of the woman in the natural law is also a sign of that same time shown in Jacob, which is 66. The Lord did all these things so that his true spiritual children would see the signs of the times.
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Luke 8:43;" And a woman having a issue of blood (12 years), which had spent all her living upon physicians, neither could be healed of any. Came behind him, and touched (the border) of his garment: and immediately her issue of blood was dried up."

66 divided by 12= 5.5 Those who have ears to hear, let them hear what the Spirit is saying.
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