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Old 7th May 2011, 06:13 PM
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Why can't god get rid of the devil?

God is all powerful, why doesn't he just make the devil cease to exist?

This is the answer I'm expecting:
Then there would be no point worshiping God as everyone gets into heaven.

If God loves us all, why not take away this eternal suffering for something else?

Heaven is a reward for worshiping god.
Hell is a punishment because it is part of Gods creation, which he could change.

Instead of punishment, when we die why not offer us the truth. As if people knew the truth when they were alive, they would worship. Its the fact they find it hard to believe. So instead of punishing non believers, why not expose them to God so they know he is real. And then place them somewhere for forgiveness and worship. Sort of like purgatory but where they live again.
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Old 7th May 2011, 09:38 PM
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God is all powerful, why doesn't he just make the devil cease to exist?

This is the answer I'm expecting:
Then there would be no point worshiping God as everyone gets into heaven.
At some point in the future, God will put an end to Satan's evil reign on Earth. In fact, the Bible says that Satan is already a defeated foe. Christ conquered him through his sacrificial death on the cross. For the child of God, the devil is an enemy already vanquished, without real power to tempt and coerce. Soon God will put the devil in the place prepared for him and his fallen angels.

I'm not sure how you got to your expected answer...The devil isn't the reason we don't get into heaven. Our own selfish, willful, and prideful behaviour toward God and man is what condemns us. Satan simply draws out and exaggerates our natural sinful inclinations; he doesn't cause them.

If God loves us all, why not take away this eternal suffering for something else?
God loves - but He also hates. He hates sin and He is angry with the wicked every day. (Prov. 6:16 - 19; Ps. 7:11) God is also just and will punish wickedness. God is also wrathful toward those who defy His Sovereign rule over the universe, who reject His blood-bought gift of salvation, and spurn His undeserved mercy and grace.

Heaven is a reward for worshiping god.
No, it is the destination of those who love their Maker. Heaven is ultimately heaven because God is there; He is the reward, not the place in which He dwells.

Hell is a punishment because it is part of Gods creation, which he could change.
Yes, it is a punishment! An eternal one to be avoided at all costs!

Instead of punishment, when we die why not offer us the truth.
God has already given us the truth - and most have rejected it.

As if people knew the truth when they were alive, they would worship. Its the fact they find it hard to believe.
Really, it is impossible to believe unless God illuminates one's mind. We love ourselves too much, we are too much in the grip of the shallow pleasures of the flesh, too blinded by these things to perceive God fully. Unless He interferes in our natural, sinful state and enables us to see, we will be blind to the truth until it is too late.

So instead of punishing non believers, why not expose them to God so they know he is real.
All people know on some level that God is real. This is an innate knowledge God imparts to each of us, that is confirmed in Creation and by our conscience, proved in the person of Christ, and revealed in the Scripture. But, a holy, just God who demands our full surrender to Him conflicts with our natural desire to be self-ruling. So, many suppress what God has revealed of Himself in order that they may feel easier in the justifications they make for their rejection of Him.

And then place them somewhere for forgiveness and worship. Sort of like purgatory but where they live again.
God has said,

Hebrews 9:27 (NKJV)
27 ...it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment...

Selah.

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Old 8th May 2011, 12:57 AM
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I can't figure out why he just doesn't straight up annihalate the guy. just wipe him from existence.
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God is all powerful, why doesn't he just make the devil cease to exist?
What purpose would it serve? The devil is not the god of bad things he does not make you do evil things. Don't get me wrong there will come a time. But for now He serves a purpose. He helps God by helping you to see another path outside of God's expressed will. These two contrasting options facilitate "Free Will." Free Will or rather the choice you make in this life is what "this life" is all about.

This is the answer I'm expecting:
Then there would be no point worshiping God as everyone gets into heaven.
Why not? If everyone made it into Heaven that would be something to celebrate!!!

If God loves us all, why not take away this eternal suffering for something else?
Like what?

Heaven is a reward for worshiping god.
Hell is a punishment because it is part of Gods creation, which he could change.
Actually no. Heaven is where God lives. Those who want to be with God do so in Heaven.

Those who do not can only escape the presents of God in the Void or pit which is a great emptiness absent of any part of creation or God.
From the perspective of Heaven or any other part of creation this place is literal Hell.

Instead of punishment, when we die why not offer us the truth. As if people knew the truth when they were alive, they would worship.
Did Lucifer or any of the fallen do this even though they were privy to the "truth?" Do you think yourself to be a greater being than an angel of the Lord? Then what makes you think your exposure to the "truth" will yield a different result than any of those who fell before you came into being?


Its the fact they find it hard to believe. So instead of punishing non believers, why not expose them to God so they know he is real. And then place them somewhere for forgiveness and worship. Sort of like purgatory but where they live again.
Because the issue is not truly belief or non belief. The true issue is why you believe or you do not. There is enough for those who want to believe to find a foot hold and ask for God to help them believe through whatever means they need to full fill their hearts. In turn there is also more than enough for those who do not want to believe in accountability and ultimately God to do so as well.

Don't fool yourself into thinking this is just about belief in God/Christ. The true matter is why you believe the way you believe. This will not change light of any amount of truth.
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Originally Posted by Birthew View Post
God is all powerful, why doesn't he just make the devil cease to exist?
Because he chooses not to.

So instead of punishing non believers, why not expose them to God so they know he is real again.
Take a walk and look what God has created. The proof of God is all around you yet you refuse to believe.

Open your Bible and read Job chapters 38-40. (All the questions you ask are answered in the Bible, although you may not like the answers)
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Originally Posted by Birthew View Post
God is all powerful, why doesn't he just make the devil cease to exist?

This is the answer I'm expecting:
Then there would be no point worshiping God as everyone gets into heaven.

If God loves us all, why not take away this eternal suffering for something else?

Heaven is a reward for worshiping god.
Hell is a punishment because it is part of Gods creation, which he could change.

Instead of punishment, when we die why not offer us the truth. As if people knew the truth when they were alive, they would worship. Its the fact they find it hard to believe. So instead of punishing non believers, why not expose them to God so they know he is real. And then place them somewhere for forgiveness and worship. Sort of like purgatory but where they live again.
Lots of questions, so here are some answers:


Satan has a purpose in roaming the earth, similar to sin and all of earth’s tragedies.

Some people have continued to show that they do not like unselfish type love and want nothing to do with it. They do not want to accept charity and feel uncomfortable around people extending unconditional Love (pure Charity). These people would not be “happy” in heaven since it is one huge Love feast, since they want a self centered type Love and not a Love that just gives.

We are not “rewarded” for worshipping God, but were just willing accepters of God’s Love for us. Those unwilling to accept God’s Love repeatedly, will become a source of encouragement for others to help them to accept God’s Love.
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You can't remove something that isn't there to begin with
If it's not there, then how do you intend to prove it?
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Epicurious fallacy. God is all powerful and can make evil cease to "exist" but has not chosen to do that yet. Why? One needs to "know" evil to "know" good. When will God make evil cease to "exist"? The answer is in the end of days prophesies in scripture.
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Originally Posted by Birthew View Post
God is all powerful, why doesn't he just make the devil cease to exist?
Why does a flower not pop out of the ground in full bloom. God does things in the proper order at the right time. A day for God is 1000 years for us. It took Him a week to make this world and it will take Him a week to restore it back to His plan and purpose.
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I can't figure out why he just doesn't straight up annihalate the guy. just wipe him from existence.
Same reason Iluvatar didn't annihilate Melkor?

"Then Iluvatar spoke, and he said: 'Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor; but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Iluvatar, those things that ye have sung and played, lo! I will show them forth, that ye may see what ye have done. And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.'

Then the Ainur were afraid, and they did not yet comprehend the words that were said to them; and Melkor was filled with shame, of which came secret anger. But Iluvatar arose in splendour, and he went forth from the fair regions that he had made for the Ainur, and the Ainur followed him."

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