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For SDAs: Prophetic time chart of Daniel and Revelation

I made this chart based on our interpretation of the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation. I thought the SDA people might find it useful.

It's not intended to debate on our interpretation with non-SDAs or those who don't hold to the historicist view.



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NSL is national sunday law.

You can simply right click on the image and 'save as' to save the file to your computer.
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NSL is national sunday law.

You can simply right click on the image and 'save as' to save the file to your computer.
Yeah, that makes since, for both questions lol
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Oops, 677BC should be for the southern kingdom, not the northern kingdom. I'll correct it.
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You stated

NSL is national sunday law.

I looked and could not find how long you have been SDA and I was wonder if you would tell us. I have been one since I was five but was baptized in 1957. Next can you or anyone please show me where in the Bible is states anything about NSL and if you like where does EGW made this claim. Your chart had some issues and that is during the 1844 up until the 1444,000 each of the seals that open were the sealing of Elohim's people and the horses (only four) that represented the earth going through tremendous trauma because of man's sin. The last one was the beginning of the earth dying because man have been poor stewards of our bodies, the earth, and the animals. The fifth seals is the saints who gave up their lives speaking metaphorically for justice and Yahweh tells them to rest for a little while. Yahweh states that in the sixth seal others also will die as martyrs and during the end of this seal the Time of Trouble begins because the 144,000 are being sealed also the great multitude that no man can number. Now I cannot for the life of me see how the leading SDA thinks that after sealing His people would Yahweh turns back to deal with Islam in the Eighth Chapter of Revelation, it just does not make sense? Because He is now opening the Seventh and final seal.

Now according to prophetic time an half an hour is exactly 30 days and the SDA Commentary does state that something of great importance is about to happen at this time. When you read the Bible prophecies the summary or conclusion comes first than it is broken down how the summary takes place! If you go back to Rev 6:13-17 this is the wrath of both Elohim the Father and Elohim the Lamb. Now Rev Chapter Eight breaks everything down what is going to take place. Rev 8:2-5 allow us to see the prayers of the 144,000 who about work and bring the grealt multitude and the beginning of the Time of Trouble. Dan 12:1-3 Now putting these two books together because they are the same book you will find that at some point some righteous dead and righteous wicked will arise but it doesn't say when!

Rev 8:5-12 clearly explain that the first four trumpets are the wrath of Elohim and His Son during the Time of Trouble which will last 3 1/2 literal years. Dan 12:4-12; Rev 11:4-6 This wrath will bring on a comet to hit 1/3 of the earth, an asteroid to hit 1/3 of the oceans or sea, a large meteorite that will break up and hit 1/3 of the rivers and waters, and finally meteors will hit a third part of the sun, moon and stars. Now you see how these things will move out of their orbit coming closer to the earth. But wait this is not the worst of it because Rev 8:12 states three woes are given to man on this earth on what is about to happen. I know that most will oppose this but you need to read for yourself that the beast of Daniel 7 will return from Satan's kingdom. Satan never own this earth and only control the weather as prince and not a Supreme Being. I have asked this question over and over what is a bottomless pit or a pit (something dark) that has no bottom (can't be the earth because it has a core or bottom)? Where do you think Satan went when he was kicked out of Heaven because the earth was not here at that time? The beast views and see his new estate Jude 1:6 and all of his host of evil angels. Next question do you honestly think that all of the 1/3 of angels that were kicked out roams here? Well I don't and the Bible clearly states that the beast will receive Satan's power, seat and authority (and authority means over his evil angels), they come back and wreck havoc only on the wicked. The beast wants to be ruler of the earth and Satan the ruler of the universe. This beast/man and his buddy (the false prophet [USA]) will work together. USA will have the world to make an idol to the beast and Satan will deceive the world that this thing can speak. The same way he did Eve with the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. Sunday has alway been a pagan unholy day so it is not about NSL but about who is the true Elohim (the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit) vs. Satan, the Beast/man and the false prophet!

Once the beast makes war with the papacy (whore/Gentile) and his beloved city that always wanted to rule Jerusalem (Babylon) and this war is Armageddon or WWIII. He tries to go after the saints and Yashua comes back and destroy him without even a fight end of story. This is what you need in your chart. Read Daniel 7:7-28; Chapters 9-10; 11:27-45; Chapter 12; Rev Chapters 4-19

Oh! I am not in any movements and I am well known by my conference and I live in the country and take care of my mother but I have been writing this and other truth to the conference since I return from Israel in 1984. My pastor of my Church in Atlanta send by first booklet himself to GC and my assistant pastor send it to Andrews. I am not main stream but an SDA by faith and not by doctrine or traditions. I also believe in the 27 principles but even more.

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Look, I stated this is for SDAs who hold to traditional and historicist view. If you have questions, you can ask. But I'm not interested in nor do I have time for debating. I'm not sure what your issues are and I'm not sure how I can help you. If you are open to it, perhaps I can point you some directions at which chapters of Revelation fall within the chiastic structure.

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You stated

NSL is national sunday law.

I looked and could not find how long you have been SDA and I was wonder if you would tell us. I have been one since I was five but was baptized in 1957. Next can you or anyone please show me where in the Bible is states anything about NSL and if you like where does EGW made this claim. Your chart had some issues and that is during the 1844 up until the 1444,000 each of the seals that open were the sealing of Elohim's people and the horses (only four) that represented the earth going through tremendous trauma because of man's sin. The last one was the beginning of the earth dying because man have been poor stewards of our bodies, the earth, and the animals. The fifth seals is the saints who gave up their lives speaking metaphorically for justice and Yahweh tells them to rest for a little while. Yahweh states that in the sixth seal others also will die as martyrs and during the end of this seal the Time of Trouble begins because the 144,000 are being sealed also the great multitude that no man can number. Now I cannot for the life of me see how the leading SDA thinks that after sealing His people would Yahweh turns back to deal with Islam in the Eighth Chapter of Revelation, it just does not make sense? Because He is now opening the Seventh and final seal.

Now according to prophetic time an half an hour is exactly 30 days and the SDA Commentary does state that something of great importance is about to happen at this time. When you read the Bible prophecies the summary or conclusion comes first than it is broken down how the summary takes place! If you go back to Rev 6:13-17 this is the wrath of both Elohim the Father and Elohim the Lamb. Now Rev Chapter Eight breaks everything down what is going to take place. Rev 8:2-5 allow us to see the prayers of the 144,000 who about work and bring the grealt multitude and the beginning of the Time of Trouble. Dan 12:1-3 Now putting these two books together because they are the same book you will find that at some point some righteous dead and righteous wicked will arise but it doesn't say when!

Rev 8:5-12 clearly explain that the first four trumpets are the wrath of Elohim and His Son during the Time of Trouble which will last 3 1/2 literal years. Dan 12:4-12; Rev 11:4-6 This wrath will bring on a comet to hit 1/3 of the earth, an asteroid to hit 1/3 of the oceans or sea, a large meteorite that will break up and hit 1/3 of the rivers and waters, and finally meteors will hit a third part of the sun, moon and stars. Now you see how these things will move out of their orbit coming closer to the earth. But wait this is not the worst of it because Rev 8:12 states three woes are given to man on this earth on what is about to happen. I know that most will oppose this but you need to read for yourself that the beast of Daniel 7 will return from Satan's kingdom. Satan never own this earth and only control the weather as prince and not a Supreme Being. I have asked this question over and over what is a bottomless pit or a pit (something dark) that has no bottom (can't be the earth because it has a core or bottom)? Where do you think Satan went when he was kicked out of Heaven because the earth was not here at that time? The beast views and see his new estate Jude 1:6 and all of his host of evil angels. Next question do you honestly think that all of the 1/3 of angels that were kicked out roams here? Well I don't and the Bible clearly states that the beast will receive Satan's power, seat and authority (and authority means over his evil angels), they come back and wreck havoc only on the wicked. The beast wants to be ruler of the earth and Satan the ruler of the universe. This beast/man and his buddy (the false prophet [USA]) will work together. USA will have the world to make an idol to the beast and Satan will deceive the world that this thing can speak. The same way he did Eve with the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. Sunday has alway been a pagan unholy day so it is not about NSL but about who is the true Elohim (the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit) vs. Satan, the Beast/man and the false prophet!

Once the beast makes war with the papacy (whore/Gentile) and his beloved city that always wanted to rule Jerusalem (Babylon) and this war is Armageddon or WWIII. He tries to go after the saints and Yashua comes back and destroy him without even a fight end of story. This is what you need in your chart. Read Daniel 7:7-28; Chapters 9-10; 11:27-45; Chapter 12; Rev Chapters 4-19

Oh! I am not in any movements and I am well known by my conference and I live in the country and take care of my mother but I have been writing this and other truth to the conference since I return from Israel in 1984. My pastor of my Church in Atlanta send by first booklet himself to GC and my assistant pastor send it to Andrews. I am not main stream but an SDA by faith and not by doctrine or traditions. I also believe in the 27 principles but even more.

Blessings,
stinsonmarri
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Here is an excel sheet on 7 churches, 7 seals and 7 trumpets. You will need microsoft excel or OpenOffice to view it.


http://cherrypicker.tripod.com/time_chart.xls
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OntheDL:

You stated:

Look, I stated this is for SDAs who hold to traditional and historicist view. If you have questions, you can ask. But I'm not interested in nor do I have time for debating. I'm not sure what your issues are and I'm not sure how I can help you. If you are open to it, perhaps I can point you some directions at which chapters of Revelation fall within the chiastic structure.

Why so angry OntheDL if a person points out your errors? Secondly let me remind you of what you said:

For SDAs: Prophetic time chart of Daniel and Revelation
I made this chart based on our interpretation of the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation. I thought the SDA people might find it useful.
It's not intended to debate on our interpretation with non-SDAs or those who don't hold to the historicist view.

Never once did I read: "this is for SDAs who hold to traditional and historicist view." I am a SDA which I told you for over fifty five years (also attended church school and Adventist Colleges), and I am well verse in Adventism but more so in the Word of the Most High. I have the SDA Commentaries and EGW books on my shelf and through Logos and I also am a Biblical Historian (I hope that cleared up you comment on "chiastic structure"). You also said that you base this chart on interpretation of the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation which the Bible has no private interpretation. EGW said:

How shall we search the Scriptures in order to understand what they teach? We should come to the investigation of Elohimís word with a contrite heart, a teachable and prayerful spirit. We are not to think, as did the Jews, that our own ideas and opinions are infallible; nor with the papists, that certain individuals are the sole guardians of truth and knowledge, that men have no right to search the Scriptures for themselves, but must accept the explanations given by the fathers of the church. We should not study the Bible for the purpose of sustaining our preconceived opinions, but with the single object of learning what Elohim has said.
Some have feared that if in even a single point they acknowledge themselves in error, other minds would be led to doubt the whole theory of truth. Therefore they have felt that investigation should not be permitted, that it would tend to dissension and disunion. But if such is to be the result of investigation, the sooner it comes the better. If there are those whose faith in Elohimís word will not stand the test of an investigation of the Scriptures, the sooner they are revealed the better; for then the way will be opened to show them their error. We cannot hold that a position once taken, an idea once advocated, is not, under any circumstances, to be relinquished. There is but One who is infallible--He who is the way, the truth, and the life.
Those who allow prejudice to bar the mind against the reception of truth cannot receive the divine enlightenment. Yet, when a view of Scripture is presented, many do not ask, Is it true--in harmony with Elohimís word? but, By whom is it advocated? and unless it comes through the very channel that pleases them, they do not accept it. So thoroughly satisfied are they with their own ideas that they will not examine the Scripture evidence with a desire to learn, but refuse to be interested, merely because of their prejudices.
Yahweh often works where we least expect Him; He surprises us by revealing His power through instruments of His own choice, while He passes by the men to whom we have looked as those through whom light should come. Elohim desires us to receive the truth upon its own merits--because it is truth.
The Bible must not be interpreted to suit the ideas of men, however long they may have held these ideas to be true. We are not to accept the opinion of commentators as the voice of Elohim; they were erring mortals like ourselves. Elohim has given reasoning powers to us as well as to them. We should make the Bible its own expositor. TM 105, 106

Elohimís Spirit has illuminated every page of Holy Writ, but there are those upon whom it makes little impression, because it is imperfectly understood. When the shaking comes, by the introduction of false theories, these surface readers, anchored nowhere, are like shifting sand. They slide into any position to suit the tenor of their feelings of bitterness. . . . Daniel and Revelation must be studied, as well as the other prophecies of the Old and New Testaments. Let there be light, yes, light, in your dwellings. For this we need to pray. The Holy Spirit, shining upon the sacred page, will open our understanding, that we may know what is truth. . . .
There is need of a much closer study of the word of Elohim; especially should Daniel and the Revelation have attention as never before in the history of our work. We may have less to say in some lines, in regard to the Roman power and the papacy; but we should call attention to what the prophets and apostles have written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit of Elohim. The Holy Spirit has so shaped matters, both in the giving of the prophecy and in the events portrayed, as to teach that the human agent is to be kept out of sight, hid in Yashua, and that the Yahweh Elohim of heaven and His law are to be exalted. Read the book of Daniel. Call up, point by point, the history of the kingdoms there represented. Behold statesmen, councils, powerful armies, and see how Elohim wrought to abase the pride of men, and lay human glory in the dust. . . .
The light that Daniel received from Elohim was given especially for these last days. The visions he saw by the banks of the Ulai and the Hiddekel, the great rivers of Shinar, are now in process of fulfillment, and all the events foretold will soon come to pass. TM 112

I am sorry that I upset you but I must stand on the Word of the Almighty and to tell you that your chart has some errors that can easily be fixed that's all!


Blessings,
stinsonmarri
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