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Old 23rd April 2011, 05:05 PM
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Pastor Suicide

Valley minister kills self after warrant served, police say

Looking for information on this story, I did a Google search. I was amazed how many pastors around the world have committed suicide. The Fox News video which I link below has an interview with a young woman who this pastor led to Christ previously. He was talking to her on the phone, encouraging her shortly before his suicide. What do you all think about the act of suicide itself? Why are so many pastors falling prey to this sin? What about mental illness? Is that an excuse?

Pastor Commits Suicide in Arizona - Fox News Video - FoxNews.com
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Old 23rd April 2011, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Faith.Man View Post
Valley minister kills self after warrant served, police say

Looking for information on this story, I did a Google search. I was amazed how many pastors around the world have committed suicide. The Fox News video which I link below has an interview with a young woman who this pastor led to Christ previously. He was talking to her on the phone, encouraging her shortly before his suicide. What do you all think about the act of suicide itself? Why are so many pastors falling prey to this sin? What about mental illness? Is that an excuse?

Pastor Commits Suicide in Arizona - Fox News Video - FoxNews.com
I am not sure but I would imagine that quite a few pastors get depressed with the state of the world and the magnitude of the task before them in the face of the sort of rebellion you see daily against God. Isiah and Jeremiah had issues with this as did others that have stood with God in the face of the insanity of this life. Some just give up and check out early because they just can't take the stress any longer, or so they believe. That is what I think is the issue but I may be wrong. Only God knows for sure.

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Old 23rd April 2011, 05:19 PM
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Almost 50% of Pastors are unhappy with their experience as Pastor.

It is extremely difficult today for Pastors to keep their congregation satisfied while serving Him.
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Old 23rd April 2011, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by wpage View Post
Almost 50% of Pastors are unhappy with their experience as Pastor.

It is extremely difficult today for Pastors to keep their congregation satisfied while serving Him.
What is the source of the 50% figure? I have questions I'd like to ask if I know the extent of the survey and who was included/excluded.
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Jesus said that "The disciple is not above his master..."

Folks, I am not trying to be cruel, but the pastor who committed suicide was a disciple of Peter Ruckman, a wife-stealing enemy of Godly men.
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Old 24th April 2011, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
Jesus said that "The disciple is not above his master..."

Folks, I am not trying to be cruel, but the pastor who committed suicide was a disciple of Peter Ruckman, a wife-stealing enemy of Godly men.
For those like me unfamiliar with Peter Ruckman, here is some correspondence he had with Dr. James White.

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I'm sure Vince can supply additional links to any requesting more info.

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Faith.Man, I appreciated your reply. During the 1950's, Peter Ruckman invented the doctrine that the King James Version IS the Word of God, and that it is sinful to use any other translation. He is a vehement enemy of Godly men, and his disciples have split into several groups that spy on and accuse each other. When I was in college, Ruckman stole the wife of a friend of mine.

I want to make clear that most Ruckmanites I meet are Godly people whom I consider "victims," not evil-doers. My prayers and sympathy are extended to the members of the church in Arizona where this occurred. In kindness, I advise the church members to abandon the building and go elsewhere.
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Originally Posted by Vince53 View Post
Faith.Man, I appreciated your reply. During the 1950's, Peter Ruckman invented the doctrine that the King James Version IS the Word of God, and that it is sinful to use any other translation. He is a vehement enemy of Godly men, and his disciples have split into several groups that spy on and accuse each other. When I was in college, Ruckman stole the wife of a friend of mine.

I want to make clear that most Ruckmanites I meet are Godly people whom I consider "victims," not evil-doers. My prayers and sympathy are extended to the members of the church in Arizona where this occurred. In kindness, I advise the church members to abandon the building and go elsewhere.
Thanks for the additional background and excellent advice.
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This is sad, as any suicide is. Theres likely a lot of stuff happening we don't know about. I'm sure it's a stressful calling, and the person may have been suffering from mental illness also. Again, how sad.
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R.I.P. Nathan Colon and John Gugie - you went way ahead of me, but we will meet again.

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Did anyone actually watch the video? The pastor was caught chatting with detectives posing as a 14 year old girl. He was documented exposing his genitals to the "14 year old girl" via his webcam. The police came to serve a warrant and he killed himself rather than face the punishment for his crime.

I am by no means a fan of Ruckman or Ruckmanites, but Ruckman isn't the sole issue here nor is depression among pastors. The man was a pedophile.
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