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Unread 24th November 2011, 12:08 AM
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In Atlas Shrugged Ms Rand makes a clear and marked distinction between two key groups of people in the world - between those who make the world work, and those who like parasites feed off the energy, vitality, creativity, and productivity of the former. The one she calls the prime movers, the other she correctly identifies as looters.
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K but that world doesn't work like that. We're you suggesting that is actually an apt metaphor?
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Unread 24th November 2011, 12:44 AM
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n Atlas Shrugged Ms Rand makes a clear and marked distinction between two key groups of people in the world - between those who make the world work, and those who like parasites feed off the energy, vitality, creativity, and productivity of the former. The one she calls the prime movers, the other she correctly identifies as looters. Eddie Willers is a key character in the first group; not someone with the talent or drive of a Dagny or Reardon, but someone who shares their values and is totally loyal to them to the end.
K but that world doesn't work like that. We're you suggesting that is actually an apt metaphor?
How do you mean?
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Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
How do you mean?
Just-world hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're falling victim to a well documented cognitive bias.
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Originally Posted by Umaro View Post
Just-world hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're falling victim to a well documented cognitive bias.
...by asking a question for clarification?

I think I'll let Rambot explain what he meant himself. But thank you for the unsolicited creative psychoanalysis.
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Let me get this straight.
You want me to get a movie made by Hollywood based on a make believe novel to get factual information on Rand rather than an encyclopedia?
Yes. She put her philosophy down in the form of two fiction novels. Now, obviously, the best way to grasp what she believed would be to actually read those novels. Watching the movies is no substitute for that, but they will give you a sense of understanding that you wont get from encyclopedias or out of context quotations.
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Christians (as will everyone else in the world) like what they like and just like everyone else does we tend to create reasons why afterwards. And like a lot of other people we will defend those reasons against any actual (or merely perceived) attacks.
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Originally Posted by tulc View Post
Christians (as will everyone else in the world) like what they like and just like everyone else does we tend to create reasons why afterwards. And like a lot of other people we will defend those reasons against any actual (or merely perceived) attacks.
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Well that's profound.... ly cynical.

Let me get this straight... if someone likes something - it's purely causeless so we have to fabricate a reason why?

Now I would've thought the reason always existed - which is why the thing appreciated is in fact appreciated in the first place.

Meh - too deep for Turkey Day.

Happy Thanksgiving to all as well...
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Christians (as will everyone else in the world) like what they like and just like everyone else does we tend to create reasons why afterwards.
I disagree as well. I could not have known that I would like Rynd's work until I read it. I liked her work because of what I found within, which is something I decided along the way and not afterward.
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Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
Well that's profound.... ly cynical.

Let me get this straight... if someone likes something - it's purely causeless so we have to fabricate a reason why?

Now I would've thought the reason always existed - which is why the thing appreciated is in fact appreciated in the first place.
Introspection Illusion You Are Not So Smart

It's due to another short circuit the human mind has. Tulc is right.
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Originally Posted by Umaro View Post
Introspection Illusion You Are Not So Smart

It's due to another short circuit the human mind has. Tulc is right.
SOURCES:

Haigh, E. A. P., & Fresco, D. M. (n.d.). Relationship of depressive rumination and distraction to subsequent depressive symptoms following successful antidepressant medication therapy for depression. Retrieved December 2010 from http://www.personal.kent.edu/~dfresc..._Rum_Haigh.pdf.

Wilson T. D., Dunn D. S., Kraft D., & Lisle D. J. (1989). Introspection, attitude change, and attitude-behavior consistency: The disruptive effects of explaining why we feel the way we do. Advances in Experimental Social Psychology 287–343
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Wilson, T. D., & Schooler, J. W. (1991, February). Thinking too much: Introspection can reduce the quality of preferences and decisions. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology 60, 181–192.
In other words - socialist quackery.
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