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Fornication and Salvation

I'm a guy. I'm not married and don't plan to be any time soon. I think about sex sometimes because women are...well..... awesome. lol Sometimes I have sex because I'm a guy, and guy think about it, guy think women are awesome, and guy can't help it. Guy beat chest. If she's ugly lol, I can act all religious and say it's not the right thing to do. The problem occurs when she is beautiful. I never start it, it just happens. I'm 38 and have the body and drive like an 18 year old athlete. Very high testosterone. I am energetic, constantly on the go, my mind races like a turbo jet and I am driven in most aspects of life. I love God, believe in Salvation through Christ, and pray forgiveness as I've been taught ever since childhood. I don't desire to drink, smoke, do drugs, chew, cuss, hate, this that and the other. I just have trouble with sex when it is available. I know it's wrong and feel convicted about it....For over 20 years!!

THE bible says Fornicators will not inherit the kingdom of God. Gal 5 v19-21 Fornication is sex before marriage. I am not married. I have had sex. Therefore I am a Fornicator and will not inherit the kingdom of God right?. lol I'm not goanna let a little thing like being cast out of Heaven keep me from praying however. ha! I'm not going quit that easy. I pray, repent, move on, a few months to a year goes by then oops, it happens again. It's like a broken record.

Some will say I was never saved to begin with because I don't display the fruit of the Spirit.
Some will say as long as I believe I will never be plucked out of Gods hand.
Some will say even though I was saved now Fornication will cause me to be rejected by God.

I don't know. I look for the signs of Gods return daily by studying the word with current events. I pray and ask for the peace of Jerusalem daily. I long to be with my mother who is in heaven after loosing her to cancer 3 years ago. I have desire and there is no doubt about that....BUT the bible say's it clear that Fornicators will not inherit the kingdom of God. I guess I'm toast eh. What say you?
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You're looking at this from your own viewpoint. Try something else -- picture what the woman might be thinking, and what she might go through after the fact.

Women tend to do things to please a man they like, because they want to make sure the man stays around. They clean your apartment as a gesture of caring, when they don't like to clean. They befriend your family because they want everything to go smoothly. They entice you because it feels great to be wanted.

But picture what happens to a woman if she contracts an STD from one of your previous flings. Or if she has to work an infant human into her schedule and finances.

What you want seems right at the time, and sensible at the time -- it is an expression of how you feel. But there are more things in life than how we feel and express ourselves.
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Why did Jesus say to love the Lord with all our heart, soul, mind and strength? Because if we love Him that way, we will not sin against Him. I'm not saying a Christian doesn't fall into sin, but planning sin, allowing yourself to be in situations that will probably cause you to sin, that is not the same thing.

Yes, we are under grace, but James is pretty clear that true saving faith results in a changed life. Paul said that sin will not dominate a true Christian and we will no longer be slaves to sin.

The Bible says a man should get married if he cannot control his lusts... I think you fit that bill. Why in the world, if you want to have sex so badly, do you not want to get married? If you are married, you can have all the sex you want and it's totally accepted by God.

I really don't know what else to say other than a true believer seeks to love His God will all of his being and counts himself dead to sin, runs from sin and does all He can to please God, not get GET saved, but because he truly IS saved.

God bless...
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I'm not going to get married for the sole purpose of sex. I think I have to love the woman first.
So you think I plan my encounters. Fair enough but not true. It just happens. Lesser and lesser it seems as I get older but I still struggle. I never bring it up first by the way.
So you believe since I have not been able to defeat this sin that God never knew me even though I have the desire to seek God. Understood. Thanks
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You're looking at this from your own viewpoint. Try something else -- picture what the woman might be thinking, and what she might go through after the fact.

Women tend to do things to please a man they like, because they want to make sure the man stays around. They clean your apartment as a gesture of caring, when they don't like to clean. They befriend your family because they want everything to go smoothly. They entice you because it feels great to be wanted.

But picture what happens to a woman if she contracts an STD from one of your previous flings. Or if she has to work an infant human into her schedule and finances.

What you want seems right at the time, and sensible at the time -- it is an expression of how you feel. But there are more things in life than how we feel and express ourselves.
So even after a night of removing her hand off my butt 15 times she is still the victim of my evil intentions right? People have sex because it feels good. The women I ended up with were all stable, single, happy, healthy, and things just happen sometimes on a date. lol, ohhh, she never ever cleaned my apartment either. I know what I have done. I also know there will be temptations in the future. If had gotten married at 20 there would have only been one person in my life. This is not the case and I have had a few dates in my single life. I have no STD's thank God.
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Of course you have to love a woman, but you said you weren't planning on getting married any time soon. I think that you need to have marriage in mind and maybe should be something you be thinking about when you meet/date women.

Okay, let me understand. Are you just going on dates with women and then it ends up happening? Or are you hanging out in dance clubs? How exactly is this happening? Because, if its putting yourself in places where sex usually ends up happening, then stop putting yourself there. If its dating, then set rules for yourself like, public places only, no going home with her, no letting her go home with you, etc. If it's dance clubs... stop going.

Ask yourself, are you really fighting against this?

You haven't been able to defeat the sin because you're still doing it, right? Fighting against sin is hard. Struggling means to fight it, not give in. It may take everything you've got to fight it, but God will give you the strength. Part of fighting against it is not allowing yourself to be in certain situations. For example, if the women has her hand on your butt over and over, then tell her goodbye and go home. I mean, you can fight against this, its just that you allow yourself to give in and frankly, you desire your sin more than pleasing God (sorry to be blunt).

I never said God never knew you. Listen, you came in asking about scripture that says fornicators are not inheriting the Kingdom and then you say that you are a fornicator. Now I am telling you this in love, if you are a Christian and you desire to obey the Lord more than commiting this sin, then do it and do whatever you have to do to get rid of the sin in your life.

p.s. I've been where you are, not the same sin, but a sin that had me as its slave. I overcame through the power of the God enabling me to fight against it. I avoided all situations that would lead me to that sin and it's been 2 years since I have commited that sin, only by the power of God. You CAN overcome.

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Of course you have to love a woman, but you said you weren't planning on getting married any time soon. I think that you need to have marriage in mind and maybe should be something you be thinking about when you meet/date women.

Okay, let me understand. Are you just going on dates with women and then it ends up happening? Or are you hanging out in dance clubs? How exactly is this happening? Because, if its putting yourself in places where sex usually ends up happening, then stop putting yourself there. If its dating, then set rules for yourself like, public places only, no going home with her, no letting her go home with you, etc. If it's dance clubs... stop going.

Ask yourself, are you really fighting against this?

You haven't been able to defeat the sin because you're still doing it, right? Fighting against sin is hard. Struggling means to fight it, not give in. It may take everything you've got to fight it, but God will give you the strength. Part of fighting against it is not allowing yourself to be in certain situations. For example, if the women has her hand on your butt over and over, then tell her goodbye and go home. I mean, you can fight against this, its just that you allow yourself to give in and frankly, you desire your sin more than pleasing God (sorry to be blunt).

I never said God never knew you. Listen, you came in asking about scripture that says fornicators are not inheriting the Kingdom and then you say that you are a fornicator. Now I am telling you this in love, if you are a Christian and you desire to obey the Lord more than commiting this sin, then do it and do whatever you have to do to get rid of the sin in your life.

p.s. I've been where you are, not the same sin, but a sin that had me as its slave. I overcame through the power of the God enabling me to fight against it. I avoided all situations that would lead me to that sin and it's been 2 years since I have commited that sin, only by the power of God. You CAN overcome.

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Hmmm, I see. So is it God changing me? Or is it me stoping it? Who has the power here?
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It's both... without God's Spirit in you, you wouldn't be able to stop it. He is able to give you power to stop it. We are given a new spirit when we are saved and we are no longer obligated to do what our sinful nature urges us to do. When we are unsaved, we just obey it and are its slave. You can overcome this, He will give you the power and it is He who works in you to both will and obey Him.

I'm sorry if I came on strong, but I truly know what its like and He helped me overcome and has helped many, but we don't sit there waiting for Him to do it. We do what we can (avoid situations for example) but the point is this, He is even giving us the power to do that! If you were unsaved, you would just continue and not want to fight it, but if you get serious with God, tell Him you really want this sin out of your life and you need His power to help you, you can overcome.

Also, no one can tell you if you're saved, we must examine ourselves.

He loves you and wants you to be free of this
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It's both... without God's Spirit in you, you wouldn't be able to stop it. He is able to give you power to stop it. We are given a new spirit when we are saved and we are no longer obligated to do what our sinful nature urges us to do. When we are unsaved, we just obey it and are its slave. You can overcome this, He will give you the power and it is He who works in you to both will and obey Him.

I'm sorry if I came on strong, but I truly know what its like and He helped me overcome and has helped many, but we don't sit there waiting for Him to do it. We do what we can (avoid situations for example) but the point is this, He is even giving us the power to do that! If you were unsaved, you would just continue and not want to fight it, but if you get serious with God, tell Him you really want this sin out of your life and you need His power to help you, you can overcome.

Also, no one can tell you if you're saved, we must examine ourselves.

He loves you and wants you to be free of this
I understand and appreciate your posting. I have been serious about God most of my life. This is a sin. Obviously I have to avoid it. I'm hardly the party type. You will catch me at the gym on a Saturday night rather than the disco. It's just strange how it is that I can go on thinking I'm a saved Christian but really I'm not according to some of these verses as you say. Afterall, I have been dealing with this sin half my life sporadically and if God changes us then surely I should have defeated it by now. I have said the words, meant them, went on, and later oops. I mean a true Christian doesn't sin the same sin twice, three, four, five,......20 times does he. A true Christian gets changed and I haven't changed this sin. So no matter how much I pray, repent, and go the next year without sinning if I fall to Fornication one more time then it means I was never saved to begin with according to James as you say. Hmmm, guess I'll have to stop dating then.
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