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Unread 5th April 2011, 11:08 PM
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Question Does God expect us to be perfect?

Or does He want u to be perfect?
There's a couple of verses in the Bible saying that we are to be perfect just like God but doesn't It also say that no one is righteous except God?

Please help me out on this issue...it's really frustrating me...

Thank you in return and God bless you all...
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Unread 5th April 2011, 11:33 PM
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Unread 6th April 2011, 12:18 AM
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I'm sure God wants us to be perfect, but doesn't expect it to happen overnight. We are to work at being Christlike in the same way that a musician practices to play their instrument with precision.

Maybe it won't happen within the span of our lifetime, but as long as we make progress, we can see with enough time we'd get there eventually.

But to look at this question in another way, we are already perfect in the eyes of God, because we put faith in Christ who lived perfection on our behalf.
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Unread 6th April 2011, 08:48 AM
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First "perfect" means complete.
Second, its the work of the HOLY SPIRIT to make you complete/perfect - not yours.
As you can't make yourself any better, let alone complete, if you could then you dont need JESUS.

So, rest in what HE completed, "it is finished". John 19:30
And then HE will complete you, HE always makes perfect what HE starts.
1 Philippians 1:6

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Originally Posted by 777dannyray777 View Post
Or does He want u to be perfect?
There's a couple of verses in the Bible saying that we are to be perfect just like God but doesn't It also say that no one is righteous except God?

Please help me out on this issue...it's really frustrating me...

Thank you in return and God bless you all...
Okay, Salvation in Jesus 101.

In the beginning God created man (and woman) to have perfect fellowship and relationship with Himself in the perfect garden. God created us with free will, so that we have choices about relationships. Satan, a fallen angel, was in the garden with man and woman and brought temptation to go against God to man and woman. Enter free will and choice; and woman decided what Satan said might be advantageous to her and her mate-man. So, she and the man, disobeyed God, enter SIN. Sin is merely going against God's will for our lives. So, broken relationship with God, resulting in limited fellowship between God and mankind. No longer perfect.

God needed a perfect reconcilliation with man, His creation. God tried to have man reconciled by blood sacrifice of His second best creation; animals, but that was an imperfect reconcilliation, which man was unable to keep due to our sinful nature after the fall in the garden. God needed a perfect sacrifice to perfectly reconcile man to Himself. The entire Old Testament points to that perfect sacrifice and perfect reconcilliation of man to God and restoration of perfect fellowship lost in the garden.

Enter the birth of Jesus, the Word which was in the beginning with God, and was God, Who became flesh and blood and walked on the earth as man and still God, so is perfect in all ways.

Enter Satan with Jesus in the desert to tempt Jesus as he tempts man. Jesus defeats Satan's temptations with the Word of God as an example to all other humans as to how to defeat temptations from Satan.

Then comes Jesus ministry to man to show humans the true nature of God the Father of all creation. Jesus performs many miracles to encourage and heal humans of things that keep us from having quality of life and to show that there is quality of life in Him. Jesus continually forgives sins and provides guidance of how God wants to have a loving, accepting, forgiving relationship with His creation.

Then, the final solution to sin: Jesus death on the cross and the acceptance of all human sin upon Himself, which He carries into Haedes (Hell) and leaves there. He presents Himself to those in Haedes who have died before His sacrifice and take those who accept Him in to Heaven for eternity. They are now perfect as He is perfect, by His perfect blood sacrifice. Jesus now returns to His dead flesh and blood body in the tomb, gives it new life, and walks again on the earth as a guarantee to us of resurrection into a new life, perfected by His perfect sacrifice on the cross as a substitute for us.

Jesus now ascends into Heaven to prepare a place for each of us to live in eternity with Him in a perfect relationship and perfectly restored fellowship with our Creator God. He then sends the third part of God, the Holy Spirit, to encourage us and strengthen us and teach us the truth and power of God.

When we, you, accept Jesus' substitutional sacrifice for our/your sins, God begins to look at us through the blood of Jesus, instead of directly at us. We are perfect, as Jesus is perfect. Not because of us or anything that we do or can do, but because of Jesus and what He did, and what the Holy Spirit can do for us and in us.

It is a free gift from God called grace that makes us perfect as He is perfect.

Be blessed by God,
Lee
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To be perfect is definitely being like Jesus. Because the healing power of Jesus is beyond our understanding or medical science, pastors or even ordinary Christians like you and me, can possess this miraculous healing power through prayer, especially when done together as a prayer team in church to bring healing to those with emotional, or disease-annoying or financial problems on a regular basis where church attendance happens each week so that the healing from Jesus can be more often and not just once in a long time. For example, I can be healed of all diseases, but several weeks later, I can be emotionally negative with that: "I don't trust you" attitude where I expect my weekly pay to be large enough to cover my debts, food and petrol. So my going to church each week is important to avoid Satan's attacking deceitful lies that can destroy Christianity.

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I know that we are to be like Jesus. Also that it is possible to stop sinning.

1 John 3:9

"No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because Godís seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God."

I don't know if God expects us to be perfect but, I do believe He would be pleased if we were more like Jesus.

1 John 2:6

"Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did."

If you want to grow in a deeper relationship with Him, read The Bible, and listen to music that gives praises to Him.

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Does God expect us to be perfect?

Dear 777dannyray777. Jesus told us" be ye perfect as God is perfect." Jesus also asked God when He was hanging on the Cross, ( and suffering for us) " Father forgive them, for they know not what they are doing." In Matthew, chapter 22, verses 35-40, Jesus told a Lawyer: " The first and great Commandment is: love thy God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like it: love thy neighbour as thyself." The Bible keeps telling us: " Repent," change your selfish and unloving character TO: love God with all your beings, and love your neighbour as yourselves." That is not easy, but it can be done, danny. Jesus will give us His Love and His Joy, and the Holy Spirit will empower us with His Love. Jesus told us to " Ask and ye will receive," and we will have love and Joy to share with our neighbour, all others, friends or not friends. We start by treating all we know and all we meet, as we and those we love, would love to be treated, and God will notice and see, and will approve and give us His Blessings. God is Love, and God wants us become as loving as God is, selflessly and beneficially, no conditions asked. Jesus will lead us back to God, where we came from, and God wants loving children/sons and daughters. We have much time to get better and better, and Jesus also taughts to pray: " Father forgive us our sins as we will forgive those who sin against us." Every time we stumble or fail, we pick ourselves up and ask God`s forgivenes and carry on trying to become as God wants us to become. Jesus died that we might live, and Jesus will lead us, He is The Way. I say this with love, dannyray, and send greetings. Emmy, your sister in Christ.
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God thinks of us as his children and let me ask you this, How many of you parents want your children to be perfect? To be the smartest, the healthiest? Like us God wants us to be perfect even as he is perfect however, like us God knows we will not be perfect just as our children will not be perfect. Like us God will forgive us our sins. The good news is that in our new bodies we will be recreated without the weakness and the temptations that lead us to sin. It will be possible to live with God and be perfect. I do not know how so don't ask. I also do not know if it will be possible to sin in Gods kingdom. I'd like to think it will not be possible but then angels were able to sin. But then that is just supposition.
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OP Short Answer NO!


No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God."
Then there was no need for Jesus to come down here at all if "we" can be perfect.

I was not perfect before being saved, am not perfect now-so if God expected me to be perfect He messed up, but then He could not be God & do that now could He?
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