John Newton , grace, suffering etc

Read Grace Irwin's book about John Newton this week.

A good read. Maybe some creative padding.
But I'd like to talk about grace, certainty of salvation, mental illness and suicidal tendencies, the immutable will of God, perfection.

All these are raised in the book.

Of particular issue is Cowper's suicidal tendencies. Newton's certainty of his forgiveness even as a current sinner did not avail Cowper at all. Can't the Holy Spirit of grace touch us all? How could he write such wonderful poems and hymns? (Cowper, I mean)

I particularly liked Newton's depiction. He was friends with both Wesley and Whitefield. He saw this as not compromise in theology. He accepted that passages in the bible contradicted each other but would not preach controversy, just assurance.

Did God put Cowper in his path to test Newton's certainty?

I don't think so. Depression, which often lies behind suicidal tendencies, is very real. Luther suffered from it all his life. We should not get simplistic about non physical ailments.

John
NZ

Thanks Johnnz,
Been really busy this week and been unable to progress this topic, but will definitely do so.

What a well-written book. Very moving ending.
But was Newton's love for Mary almost Idolatry?