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Old 28th March 2011, 06:12 PM
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Alert How do I stop doubting God's existence? (serious question)

Recently, Ive been feeling really down in the dumps, and my faith is suffering. The cause of my near-depression is because I keep doubting the Lord's existence, and I'm scared if I keep this up I'll go to Hell, which is my #1 fear in the entire world.
I honestly 100% believe God exists, and that Jesus died for our sins, and that there is a Heaven and Hell, but one day this nagging voice in the back of my mind kept saying "God doesn't exist" and "You're stupid for believing in Christianity", and since then I've been dealing with this, and I know its the Devil trying to get me on his side, but I don't want to be on his side. I want to be with God.
One day I even thought "You have to let go of the one's you love the most, so God, I'm letting you go." The day I thought that was the day I knew that this was a serious issue. Not to long ago I was watching a Christian TV show about a man talking about headlines and the how it relates to the End Times, and halfway through I busted out crying because he was talking about how amazing the Rapture will be and how it should give us hope, but I felt (and at times still feel) that I'm going to be left behind in the Rapture, and maybe not even go to Heaven at all because of my thoughts and doubt.
Now sometimes when I think something negative, my mind applies it to God (Like if I say, "I hate bananas" a thought echoes in my mind saying "Just like you hate God), but when I say something positive, like "God is good" my mind just replies "Yes He is." Why is that??
There are some days when I feel wonderful and full of faith and love for the Lord, and other days when I would rather die than go through the mental torture I go through. I hate the way I feel and myself when I doubt God and think destructive thoughts towards Him and His kingdom, and on those days I can't concentrate on anything: My school work, my teachers, even a conversation becomes to much for me.
I've been praying for God to deliver me from this, but one morning on the radio I heard Dr. Charles Stanley say a bible verse about doubters being like "Double-minded heathens" and how God doesn't have to answer to them. Lately I've been putting my problems into God's hands, and it lifted a tremendous weight off my shoulders, but the problem still isn't solved, and I fear God can't forgive/save someone who would do something so terrible as to doubt Him, even if I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior prior (and after) this.
What are some practical, biblical, scriptural ways to ask God to give me the strength overcome my biggest demon: My mind?

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Old 28th March 2011, 06:26 PM
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I feel the exact same way you do- only my intrusive doubts and thoughts (from my severe OCD) concern losing my salvation due to being unbiblically divorced. The problem is that no one (human) CAN truly reassure any of us that "God exists" or that I "won't be eternally condemned because of my choice to sin so grievously"...We simply have to learn how to apply the concept of FAITH back into the equation.

It's about "believing something" often regardless of having no tangle proof. Also, I think that regaining that faith is most definitely a process, an actual VERB...not a destination you begin at, but a literal journey, that will (hopefully) lead us onward to Heaven.
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just keep praying and pleading. he will forgive you. remember that whosoever calls on the name of the Lord he will save. he knows we are never perfect.think of the thief on the cross next to Jesus. he had only accepted him very shortly before his death. he was a total sinner to that point. he had even mocked Jesus right before that. but when he said to Jesus that surely he was the son of God, Jesus replied,"today thou shalt be with me in paradise"(luke 23:34)the most important thing is accepting him in your heart, asking him for help shows him that you do.i always find it helpful to read fulfilled prophecy when i'm doubting, it works like evidence to me.it's almost chilling how correct old testament prophecy is. it always helps me. try Isaiah
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Here is one of my favorite passages:

Isaiah 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am.

Blessings to you!
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1LifeToLive1SoulToGive,

Once a person is saved, they're always saved.

That's the peace we have from God that we can rest assured we can be saved because of what he has done!

John 3:15-16
that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Romans 8:38-39
For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

NOTHING a Christian does can separate them from God's love!

Jude 1:24-25
To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy--to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.


As you can see from the above verses, there is NOTHING someone who accepted Christ as their saviour can do to somehow lose their salvation.

Don't let Satan cast doubt into your minds and cause you grief.

Keep praying to God for help, go to Church so you can get encouragement from other Christians and read your bible, God talks to us through his word.


May God bless you, and don't worry about your salvation, if you believe Christ died for you and you have the Holy Spirit how can you possibly lose your salvation? Every scripture points towards lasting salvation, so we are no longer living in fear of death because we have assurance of salvation!

Hebrews 2:14-15
Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

The fear of death is one of Satan's greatest tools but Christ died and because of that, Christian's no longer have to or should be living in fear of death because we know we have life through Jesus Christ!
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I feel the exact same way you do- only my intrusive doubts and thoughts (from my severe OCD) concern losing my salvation due to being unbiblically divorced. The problem is that no one (human) CAN truly reassure any of us that "God exists" or that I "won't be eternally condemned because of my choice to sin so grievously"...We simply have to learn how to apply the concept of FAITH back into the equation.

It's about "believing something" often regardless of having no tangle proof. Also, I think that regaining that faith is most definitely a process, an actual VERB...not a destination you begin at, but a literal journey, that will (hopefully) lead us onward to Heaven.
Hi.

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but as a sufferer of OCD, I wanted to say something to you directly.

I am not a Christian, but I was when my OCD began to really act up. I would spend hours praying over and over again for forgiveness for each intrusive thought that invaded my head. The thing is, with OCD you can't control what you think, and the more often you fight your thoughts, the stronger they become. I did not leave Christianity as a result of my OCD, so that's not what I'm here to say. While we might have differing theological backgrounds, I remember what it was like to worry constantly over going to Hell over thoughts you couldn't control. Here are a few things to keep in mind:

1) You can't control your thoughts. There is a chemical imbalance that increases levels of Serotonin in your head, which kicks OCD into high gear. This is not something you asked for, and not something you enjoy.

2) If you believe divorce is a sin, then according to the Bible, requesting forgiveness -- and being sincere of heart -- should grant you clemency. There is only one unforgivable sin according to scripture, and divorce ain't it.

3) It's easier for me to deal with OCD by thinking of it as an external entity, like someone whispering in your ear and telling you things you don't want and/or don't agree with. You can't be held accountable for having thoughts as a result of something someone else said.

4) Don't fight your thoughts. They operate like a finger-trap, the more you struggle, the more amp you give the thoughts.

Every time I feel myself spiking, I tell myself, "It's okay if I have an obsessive thought. I'm an obsessive compulsive. That's what happens." By allowing the thought to remain, you're essentially stripping it of its power. And you'll find in time that you've forgotten to think about it.

I just say this because it was incredibly painful for me to go through life thinking I was hellbound over something I couldn't control. Again, sorry for hijacking the thread, but I really hope this helps.
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Your issue is very often related to never having been given sensible teaching and material at a level that your developing intellect now requires. Sadly many young people in the same situation abandon their faith.

Its not a matter of more prayer, more bible study, hidden sins etc. It's good information you need.

Feel free to PM me if you want some suggestions about suitable material to look at. there is lots available, so you don't need to remain where you are. Rightly handled you are beginning a major expansion of your faith. That's exciting.

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Although I struggle with the bible errors and the bible being called God's word for that reason, when I believed in God's Sovereignty, it changed my whole belief. I used to fear of losing my salvation and had some of the same fears you share, but when I studied God's Sovereignty I felt like I was set free of that fear. Just look around you. There is no way that a big bang could create all of this, and the human body, how miraculous it is, there is no way...And...just the fact that you want God...He will not leave one of His sheep He calls by name. Those who really don't believe won't go through what you're going through...they just come out and say they don't believe...no question. Just thank God for stretching you, laugh and love...you will be okay!!
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I think you stop doubting, when you decide to stop doubting. Jesus said: "don't be unbelieving but believing" it is in our will by the grace of God to come to a place of belief and trust in God. When we finally have enough of the doubts and say: "I am going to believe God and His word over everything, even my own reason."

But to come to this point requires that God give you grace in believing and you also must study and read the word of God and come to an understanding of what you believe. Read the word of God and get a good study bible with commentary and learn about the God you profess.

"Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God."
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Recently, Ive been feeling really down in the dumps, and my faith is suffering. The cause of my near-depression is because I keep doubting the Lord's existence, and I'm scared if I keep this up I'll go to Hell, which is my #1 fear in the entire world.
I honestly 100% believe God exists, and that Jesus died for our sins, and that there is a Heaven and Hell, but one day this nagging voice in the back of my mind kept saying "God doesn't exist" and "You're stupid for believing in Christianity", and since then I've been dealing with this, and I know its the Devil trying to get me on his side, but I don't want to be on his side. I want to be with God.
One day I even thought "You have to let go of the one's you love the most, so God, I'm letting you go." The day I thought that was the day I knew that this was a serious issue. Not to long ago I was watching a Christian TV show about a man talking about headlines and the how it relates to the End Times, and halfway through I busted out crying because he was talking about how amazing the Rapture will be and how it should give us hope, but I felt (and at times still feel) that I'm going to be left behind in the Rapture, and maybe not even go to Heaven at all because of my thoughts and doubt.
Now sometimes when I think something negative, my mind applies it to God (Like if I say, "I hate bananas" a thought echoes in my mind saying "Just like you hate God), but when I say something positive, like "God is good" my mind just replies "Yes He is." Why is that??
There are some days when I feel wonderful and full of faith and love for the Lord, and other days when I would rather die than go through the mental torture I go through. I hate the way I feel and myself when I doubt God and think destructive thoughts towards Him and His kingdom, and on those days I can't concentrate on anything: My school work, my teachers, even a conversation becomes to much for me.
I've been praying for God to deliver me from this, but one morning on the radio I heard Dr. Charles Stanley say a bible verse about doubters being like "Double-minded heathens" and how God doesn't have to answer to them. Lately I've been putting my problems into God's hands, and it lifted a tremendous weight off my shoulders, but the problem still isn't solved, and I fear God can't forgive/save someone who would do something so terrible as to doubt Him, even if I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior prior (and after) this.
What are some practical, biblical, scriptural ways to ask God to give me the strength overcome my biggest demon: My mind?
I have been an Atheist, a very confident and content one and for a very long time. Without much ado I will simply say that the only way you ever silence the doubts about God's reality or meaning in your life is by finding a very real and personal relationship with God for yourself. When you know God personally, when you talk to him and he talks to you you no longer doubt who or what he is and also a close relationship with God is really the solution to all of our problems. When we are close to him we can pray and get anything we need, he can teach us anything we need to know and he can lead us anywhere we need to go. You need a closer walk with Jesus and you just need to ask and pursue that and give all your concerns or fear to him in prayer and he will take care of you.

God is mighty to save!
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