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Originally Posted by Junebug28 View Post
I'll show you the Truth of God's Word:


Like I haven't heard that my entire adult life...
You're right, why keep Matt. 24 in context with Matt. 24 regarding the time being shortened for the Elect's sakes. What an idiot I am!
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Originally Posted by Zadok7000 View Post


Like I haven't heard that my entire adult life...
You're right, why keep Matt. 24 in context with Matt. 24 regarding the time being shortened for the Elect's sakes. What an idiot I am!
Is this written in Matthew 24 or not?


Matt 24: 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

What happens right after the great tribulation is cut short?

Matt 24: 29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


It this same moment written in Joel 2 or not?

Joel 2: 10The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

31The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come.


Here is that same moment in Isaiah:

Isaiah 13:
10For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.


And in Revelation:


Rev 6:12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.


What does it show is going on in all of those passages when that moment in time occurs? The Bible tells us why the tribulation is cut short for the sake of the elect or else no one would survive.
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Also, people will be saved after the Rapture. The Bible says there will be plenty people in Israel saved and sealed 144000. It is these elect He is speaking of here. Notice He did not say for His Church's sake. Which it won't be, because the Church will be with Him. Praise God!
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Originally Posted by Handmaid for Jesus View Post
Also, people will be saved after the Rapture. The Bible says there will be plenty people in Israel saved and sealed 144000. It is these elect He is speaking of here. Notice He did not say for His Church's sake. Which it won't be, because the Church will be with Him. Praise God!
Revelation 7 and Revelation 12 shows who the elect are. Yes, the church is snatched away and a remnant of Israel is sealed at that moment in time when the tribulation is cut short before the 6th seal, before the antichrist and false prophet rise up. And yes, he was speaking to Israel about Israel.
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Iranian Video Says Mahdi is 'Near' - World - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

Apparently Ahmadinijad thinks he's supposed to be a major player in a war against the US and Israel BEFORE the "madhi" is revealed. According to Joel 1, 2, Ezek 38 and Rev 12 and 13, there is indeed an invasion of Israel before the Day of the Lord begins, before the antichrist is revealed during the time of wrath on the Day of the Lord.
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Forbes.com - Magazine Article

How bizarre. Islamic prophecy appears to be leading the Islamic world into a trap and the fulfillment of Bible prophecy. Now that Obama is arming Al Queda in Lybia and turning his back on Israel, it seems like Islamic mystical prophecy is coming true at just the right time (and season) in history. I would say this is no coincidence. The devil knows what the Bible foretells and has spent centuries creatiing a massive army and "prophecies" to convince them for this moment in time.
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Originally Posted by Junebug28 View Post
Is this written in Matthew 24 or not?


Matt 24: 21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

What happens right after the great tribulation is cut short?

Matt 24: 29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Funny how you ignore the intervening verses...you know, letting the Bible answer itself.

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

This is about DECEPTION. The sun/moon/stars are AFTER THE GREAT TRIBULATION as verse 29 stipulates. The Locust Army of Joel 2 arrive with the False Christ - their mission is to DECEIVE.
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Originally Posted by Zadok7000 View Post
Funny how you ignore the intervening verses...you know, letting the Bible answer itself.

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
The elect of ISRAEL. The church is gone. That's why Revelation 12 shows the church dwelling in heaven and Israel protected "from the face of the serpent" for 42 months. That's why Revelation 12 and 13 shows the devil making war with "the rest of the woman's seed" while the antichrist blasphemes the church who is dwelling in heaven!

That is why Revelation 7 and 9 shows a remnant of Israel sealed AND PROTECTED from the devil on earth.

This is about DECEPTION. The sun/moon/stars are AFTER THE GREAT TRIBULATION as verse 29 stipulates.
Yes, the great tribulation that Jesus said began with the desolation of Israel is cut short before the 6th seal, at the time of the Northern army invasion according to Joel 2. THEN comes the Day of the Lord, "the Great Day of His Wrath" according to both Joel 2 and Revelation 6.

The Locust Army of Joel 2 arrive with the False Christ - their mission is to DECEIVE.
Funny how your first line of your post was, "funny how you ignore the intervening verses..." and then add your own verses to Joel 2. Joel 2 doesn't say that at all, anywhere.

The antichrist arises ON the Day of the Lord/Day of Wrath.
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Originally Posted by Junebug28 View Post
The elect of ISRAEL. etc...
Spare me the pre-trib garbage, dear.

Even if you choose to believe that junk, the subject of Matt. 24 is still DECEPTION. Not invasion.
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Originally Posted by Zadok7000 View Post
Spare me the pre-trib garbage, dear.

Even if you choose to believe that junk, the subject of Matt. 24 is still DECEPTION. Not invasion.
The deception is by false miracles, Zadok. The reason the tribulation is cut short for the sake of the elect BEFORE the antichrist and false prophet arise is because of the massive invasion of Israel that occurs before the sun and moon darken and the stars fall as described in Joel 2. Two different things: tribulation cut short because of invasion of Israel, and the elect of Israel will be around to see the false miracles of the false prophet/antichrist after the tribulation is cut short.

Mat 24:22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.


Mat 24:23At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it.
Mat 24:24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.


Mat 24:29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
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