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24th March 2011, 06:37 PM
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Reps: 1,167,585,288,065,942,528 (power: 1,167,585,288,065,952) | | Originally Posted by Standing Up  Knowledge necessary for salvation is all in the bible. That's more of a problem for RC than for EO, if I get that right.  Originally Posted by http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0409fea3.asp Catholics agree that Scripture is materially sufficient. In other words, on this view, every true doctrine can be found in the Bible, if only implicitly and indirectly by deduction. But no biblical passage teaches that Scripture is the formal authority or rule of faith in isolation from the Church and Tradition. Originally Posted by Standing Up For example, RC tells you per 1950 that an RC must believe the assumption of Mary doctrine. Revelation 12
1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
Psalm 45
9Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir.
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24th March 2011, 06:54 PM
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Reps: 1,167,585,288,065,942,528 (power: 1,167,585,288,065,952) | | Originally Posted by ortho_cat Saying that the knowledge is there, and determing how to extract that knowledge faithfully are two separate issues entirely...the latter part is the primary task for the SS'ian... 
"...And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ..."
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Reps: 7,309,940,855,779,989,504 (power: 7,309,940,855,780,014) | | Originally Posted by Standing Up  For example, RC tells you per 1950 that an RC must believe the assumption of Mary doctrine.
Revelation 12
1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
Psalm 45
9Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir.
Even when I squint I can't see any connection between 'assumption of mary' doctrine and the verses you cited. 
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Reps: 7,309,940,855,779,989,504 (power: 7,309,940,855,780,014) | | Originally Posted by ortho_cat Saying that the knowledge is there, and determing how to extract that knowledge faithfully are two separate issues entirely...the latter part is the primary task for the SS'ian...
Are you saying you accept whatever the bishop says as authoritative? EO is able to throw out the wolf. Morality? Doctrine? If doctrine, what?
I'd guess we'd pretty much use the same standard---scripture and tradition-tied-to-apostles. But, my criteria of the latter is much more stringent than yours. EO would probably accept something c400 as 'close enough'. I wouldn't.
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Reps: 2,351,326,977,761,002,496 (power: 2,351,326,977,761,015) | | Originally Posted by Standing Up Are you saying you accept whatever the bishop says as authoritative? EO is able to throw out the wolf. Morality? Doctrine? If doctrine, what?
I'd guess we'd pretty much use the same standard---scripture and tradition-tied-to-apostles. But, my criteria of the latter is much more stringent than yours. EO would probably accept something c400 as 'close enough'. I wouldn't.
400 is closer to the source than 1500...
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Hmmm, we're not talking about wine here. The older does not mean better. We want the source, apostles. 
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Reps: 2,351,326,977,761,002,496 (power: 2,351,326,977,761,015) | | Originally Posted by Standing Up Hmmm, we're not talking about wine here. The older does not mean better. We want the source, apostles.
The apostles laid the foundation with Christ as the cornerstone, the saints and holy men and women of the church has been building on the foundation ever since, all of whom have been appointed to teach us in the way of the truth and guide us in the way to salvation.
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