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23rd February 2011, 05:04 PM
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Did Paul declare all foods clean?
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Strong's Number G1033 matches the Greek βρῶμα (brōma), which occurs 17 times in 15 verses in the Greek concordance of the KJV
YoungLT]Romans 14:14 I have known and am persuaded in Lord Jesus that nothing unclean thru himself, except to the one accounting any being-unclean/koinon <2839> to be, to that one being-unclean/koinon <2839>.
[Genesis 9:33]
15 and if through victuals/brwma <1033> thy brother is grieved, no more dost thou walk according to love; do not with thy victuals destroy that one for whom Christ died.
16 Let not, then, your good be evil spoken of,
17 for the reign of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit;
1033. broma bro'-mah from the base of 977; food (literally or figuratively), especially (ceremonially) articles allowed or forbidden by the Jewish law:--meat, victuals.
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23rd February 2011, 05:23 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,892) | | Originally Posted by higherFaith  Not sure, I think it needs to be made more clear. Originally Posted by higherFaith St. Matthew 15:11 Good verse hF 
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23rd February 2011, 05:43 PM
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Reps: 5,769,546,376,185,424,896 (power: 5,769,546,376,185,461) | | Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus Good verse hF
Sure did, and 14 says, by way of the Lord, said again in 20, in case ther was any confusion. Sadly, it is the weak, that deem things unclen, as per 14:1, and 15:1, probably new converts. Fragile ones.
More..Corinth, like in unclean idol food.
10:25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience. 26 For “the earth is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof.”
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Since sin is dead apart from law, what happens if we live under law?
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Romans 7:8 But sin, seizing an opportunity through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from the law, sin lies dead.
1 Cor 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. |
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The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. Then he became very hungry and wanted to eat, but while they made ready he fell into trance and saw heaven opened an an object like a great sheet bound at the four corners, descending to him and let down to the earth. In it were all kinds of four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, creeping things, and birds of the air. And a voice came to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." But Peter said, "Not so, Lord! For I have never eaten anything common or unclean." And a voice spoke to him again the second time, "What God has cleansed you must not call common." This was done three times. And the object was taken up into heaven again.
Or how about Colossians 2:16-17, 20-23 - So let no one judge you in food or drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ... Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations - "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle," which all concern things which perish with the using - according to the commandments and doctrines of men? These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh.
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,892) | | Originally Posted by Frogster Sure did, and 14 says, by way of the Lord, said again in 20, in case ther was any confusion. Sadly, it is the weak, that deem things unclen, as per 14:1, and 15:1, probably new converts. Fragile ones.
More..Corinth, like in unclean idol food <snip> Originally Posted by Macarius There's also the vision of St. Peter in Acts 10:9-16<snip?
The food laws do not apply to Christians. Anyone who says otherwise preaches a different Gospel than that of Christ and St. Paul and is anathema. I tend to agree with both posts here, and thank you both for posting 
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23rd February 2011, 06:00 PM
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Todays MJ's and sda folk, cause division, because they declare all the pork, catfish, shrimp, lobster, crab eating Christians sinners.
It is sooooo dated!
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