AntiChrist, Son of Perdition, Man of Sin???

Senecharnix · #11 23rd February 2011, 07:06 AM

I will agree that Islam will perish. But the Moslems are going to fight the forces of the Antichrist and False Prophet--and lose badly. All of the nations in the Middle East and North Africa will be destroyed, except Jordan...Israel will also be destroyed. A remnant of the Jews will escape from the forces of the Antichrist and False Prophet and flee into the wildreness of Jordan. God will then protect them. [They will be among the Jews who finally accept Yeshua as the Messiah.] Judaism as it has been since the time of Yeshua will no longer exist. Neither will Islam....

resistingrexmundi · #12 23rd February 2011, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by Senecharnix

If you are referring to Mohammed, you are wrong, though it can be argued that he was a false prophet. The False Prophet is going to be someone who can perform miracles so spectacular that he would be able to fool even the elect of God's children if allowed to continue performing them long enough.

I have my own forum for discussing this subject and while you are certainly entitled to believe I am wrong I will believe what has been given me over what you think on the matter.

Senecharnix · #13 23rd February 2011, 08:30 AM

Believe whatever you will. I do not mind. By the way, on your poll about visions, you said something about someone else claiming to have received revelations about the Antichrist. What did he or she say?

resistingrexmundi · #14 23rd February 2011, 08:41 AM

I have sent a notification to him so that he can speak for themselves. I would rather him give his own views so that I do not misrepresent them.

Almighty's humble servant · #15 23rd February 2011, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by Senecharnix

Believe whatever you will. I do not mind. By the way, on your poll about visions, you said something about someone else claiming to have received revelations about the Antichrist. What did he or she say?

I don't know the human name of the a/c. Before I saw his face, I thought it was Hillary Clinton, but when I bore false witness against her, I was chastised and shown the face, but not given a name.

Brother RRM has posted a photo of David Blaine. The a/c from my vision looked similar to him. The eyes were similar, the hair, the beard, except cleaner, and the skin tone, except darker than that of the Blaine photo.

There is a man currently living in the u.s., who looks eerily similar to the visions I have had of the a/c.

While he does not have a beard, and has denied being the messiah, I will not so accuse him. But when he says that mankind is indeed their own messiah, then we will know if it is him.

Heavens · #16 23rd February 2011, 11:47 AM

You are kidding right? A futuristic singular individual you call the "antichrist"?
The punishment for false prophecies are quite serious my friend. There is no such thing as what is being put forth here.
Antichrists, as I've provided the clear scriptures earlier, are anyone who does not receive Jesus Christ in the flesh. It is specifically the Jews in scripture. But also anyone who falls for believing in their fables.

There will never be an individual who "arises" on the public scene as "THE" antichrist. Nothing to be concerned about with that idea.

Heavens · #17 23rd February 2011, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by σύνδουλόν

Let us look and see what the Scripture says where this AntiChrist has come from, and in order to do so, we need to go back to the Book of Daniel Chapter 2 where Nebuchadnezzar has dreams:

First rule of scripture, is to let it interpret itself - "Line upon line" (Isaiah 28:10). So we do not have to guess as to what the dream means or as to when the things shall occur, for Daniel, by God's grace, has come to identify that which has been seen for us:

"...I will shew unto the king the interpretation." - Daniel 2:24

"...make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart." - Daniel 2:30

"...I have found a man of the captives of Judah, that will make known unto the king the interpretation." - Daniel 2:25

"This (is) the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king." - Daniel 2:36

"...the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream (is) certain, and the interpretation thereof sure." - Daniel 2:45

Daniel will tell us what the Dream means, step by step.

And what does Daniel say about the dreams given from GOD?

"But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;" - Daniel 2:28

"...he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass." - Daniel 2:29

The vision is of the future, for "what shall be in the latter days" and "what shall come to pass" and "hereafter".

(A Brief Overview of the Dream)

The King sees a Giant Image (an idol of a man) in various metals. Head of Gold, Chest and Arms of Silver, Waist and Thighs of Brass (Bronze), Legs of Iron, and finally Feet and Toes of Iron mixed with Clay. A Stone cut out of a Mountain without Hands smashes the Great Image at the Feet. The Giant Image is forever destroyed into nothing. The Stone becomes a great Mountain and fills the whole earth.

What is the "Head of Gold"?:

"Thou, O king, (art) a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom... Thou (art) this head of gold." - Daniel 2:37-38

The "Head of GOLD" is the "Kingdom" of Babylon.

What then is the "Breast and Arms of Silver"?:

"...And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee..." - Daniel 2:39

The "Breast and Arms of Silver" is the next successive (Second) Kingdom to Rule directly after Babylon, and would be inferior to the "Gold", a "Silver" Kingdom (We do not yet have a name in Chapter 2, but we will later in further chapters for this Kingdom).

What then is "his Belly and his Thighs of Brass"?

"...and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth" - Daniel 2:39

"His Belly and His Thighs of Brass" are the successive Third Kingdom (we do not yet know a name in Chapter 2, but we will later on), which follows directly after the Second Kingdom that follows directly after the Kingdom of Babylon, and this Third Kingdom is to "bear rule over all the earth".

What then is "His Legs of Iron"?

"And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all (things): and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise." - Daniel 2:40

"His Legs of Iron" is the Fourth Kingdom which follows successively and directly after the Third Kingdom, which followed after the Second Kingdom which came after the Kingdom of Babylon (we do not yet have a name in Chapter 2, but we will later on) and this Kingdom shall "breaketh those before it and break in pieces and bruise."

What then is "his feet part of iron and part of clay."?

"And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay." - Daniel 2:41

"And (as) the toes of the feet (were) part of iron, and part of clay, (so) the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken." - Daniel 2:42

"And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay." - Daniel 2:43

"His feet part of iron and part of clay." is still the very Fourth Kingdom again, but this time this very Kingdom is not conquered by another Kingdom, but rather the Fourth Kingdom itself becomes Divided, becoming "partly strong and partly broken". The Fourth Kingdom during this period of being "Divided" shall then seek to "mingle themselves with the seed of men" and they "shall not cleave one to another". (We will look at these terms a little later when we come again to them, for we do not yet see in the scriptures the understanding of this Divided Kingdom until later.)

What then is this "Stone was cut out Without Hands"?

"And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed..." - Daniel 2:44

In scripture when something is said to be done "without hands" it is done, completed and finished by God (Mark 14:58; Colossians 2:11) and not man. It is where "The God of Heaven" sets "up a Kingdom", "which shall never be destroyed". When will this happen according to scripture? What or Who then is this Stone, this Rock? Scripture reveals to us that this Rock/Stone is Christ Jesus (Deuteronomy 32:4; Psalms 118:22; Isaiah 28:16; Matthew 16:18, 21:42,44; Romans 9:32-33; 1 Corinthians 3:9-11, 10:4; Ephesians 2:20; 1 Peter 2:4-8).

What then is the ending wherein the "the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth."?

"...the kingdom shall not be left to other people, (but) it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever." - Daniel 2:44

The Stone that becomes the Great Mountain and fills the whole earth, which shall "break in pieces and consume all" the previous "Kingdoms" of the Giant Metal Man Idol and their ways for good and truly is the Final Everlasting Kingdom of God on Earth which shall "stand for ever" on the Earth made New (Isaiah 65:17; 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1).

"Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream (is) certain, and the interpretation thereof sure." - Daniel 2:45

...and yet there are more visions given in Daniel, unfolding in greater details shedding further light upon these very events given in Daniel Chapter 2...

What have we learned so far?

1. Head of (Gold) is the Babylonian Kingdom

2. Another Kingdom arises after it (Silver)

3. A Third Kingdom conquers, Bearing rule over the earth (Brass)

4. The Fourth Kingdom crushes all those before it, an (Iron) Kingdom

5. The Fourth Kingdom becomes Divided (Iron and Clay)

6. The Fourth Divided Kingdom mingles the seed of men, but remains divided

7. Stone Cut without Hands, destroys all of the previous Kingdoms, so that there is no trace of them left and Remains forever and ever (Mountain).

What are these other Kingdoms mentioned? When will the AntiChrist arise among them? Daniel will tell us, and the "dream is certain" and the "interpretation is sure".

The dream was absolutely certain. And absolutely has been fulfilling for 2000 years ago.

Which is EXACTLY how we can further verify that Jesus CAME as promised. The conditions were fulfilled When Christ came. Every one of them.
He has crushed the image of man and still is. He has been for growing as a Mountain (SION) for 2000 years now. He came in the "days of those kings" of clay/iron (Judah/Rome).

Only the blind will not see this and will "futurize" it for that very reason!

Open yur eyes folks!

σύνδουλόν · #18 24th February 2011, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Senecharnix

Yes, there are and have been many antichrists. But there will arise one who will prove to be the Antichrist.

Let us look and see what the Scripture says where this AntiChrist has come from, and in order to do so, we need to go back to the Book of Daniel. Now that we have see that Chapter 2 reveals the full scope of history down to the very second advent and even Kingdom upon this earth, the Book of Daniel reveals even more details. Let us jump ahead now to Chapter 7 where Daniel has dreams:

First rule of scripture, is to let it interpret itself - "Line upon line" (Isaiah 28:10). So we do not have to guess as to what the dream means or as to when the things shall occur, for the vision, by God's grace, will be interpreted for us:

(A Brief Overview of the Dream)

Daniel sees a Great Sea upon which the Four Winds of Heaven blow. Four Great Beasts arise from this great sea. The First Beast was like a lion with eagles wings whose wings were eventually plucked off, and the lion-like beast was lifted from the earth and made to stand upon its two feet as a man and a man's heart given to it. The Second Beast was like a Bear, being raiseed up on one side, having three ribs in its mouth, and was told to devour much flesh. The Third beast like a Leopard, had four wings of a fowl on its back, and four heads and dominion was given to it. The Fourth Beast, dreadful and terrible, and exceedingly strong, having great Iron Teeth, devouring and braking in pieces, stamping even the residue with its feet, and it was diverse and different from those Beasts before it, it also having Ten Horns. Then, amongst the Ten Horns of this Beast, another "Little Horn" (which makes war against the saints) arises and uproots and removes three of the previous ones, so that they are no more. In this "little horn" were eyes like the "eyes of a man" and a "mouth" speaking great and exalted things. Then Thrones are seen to be set in place, and the Ancient of Days sits and Judgement commences and the Books are opened. The "Little Horn" is still seen speaking great words during this time, then the Fourth Beast is slain and given to the Fire. The remaining Beasts had their dominion taken away, yet their lives are prolonged a little season. Then the "Son of Man" is seen coming with the clouds of Heaven and comes near the Ancient of Days. Dominion was then given to Him (The Son of Man), and His Kingdom is an Everlasting Kingdom.

Daniel is troubled by all these things. So he asks one who knows the interpretation, one who "stood by" with him, for we are not left to guess at these things:

So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things. - Daniel 7:16

(At this point, go back and recompare to the Daniel Chapter 2 events.)

Giant Image (an idol of a man) in various metals. Head of Gold, Chest and Arms of Silver, Waist and Thighs of Brass (Bronze), Legs of Iron, and finally Feet and Toes of Iron mixed with Clay. A Stone cut out of a Mountain without Hands smashes the Great Image at the Feet. The Giant Image is forever destroyed into nothing. The Stone becomes a great Mountain and fills the whole earth.

What have we learned so far in Daniel Chapter 2?

1. Head of (Gold) is the Babylonian Kingdom

2. Another Kingdom arises after it (Silver)

3. A Third Kingdom conquers, Bearing rule over the earth (Brass)

4. The Fourth Kingdom crushes all those before it, an (Iron) Kingdom

5. The Fourth Kingdom becomes Divided (Iron and Clay)

6. The Fourth Divided Kingdom mingles the seed of men, but remains divided

7. Stone Cut without Hands, destroys all of the previous Kingdoms, so that there is no trace of them left and Remains forever and ever (Mountain).

(Now we should continue in Daniel Chapter 7 to know the interpretation)

What are the Four Beasts?

These great beasts, which are four, [are] four kings, [which] shall arise out of the earth. - Daniel 7:17

Just as Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel Chapter 2 is King of a Kingdom (Babylon), so too these also represent Kingdoms (see vs 23; Fourth Beast is the Fourth Kingdom):

The Four Beasts are Four Kingdoms. Who are they? As we have seen in the previous chapters od Daniel (Chapter 2) an overall list was given through the Giant Image of those Kingdoms. Daniel Chapter 7 is rehasing them from another perspective and adding more detail. It is an unfolding into greater understanding.

Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. - Daniel 7:23

What are the Ten Horns that are in the Head of this Fourth Dreadful and Terrible Beast, which is the Fourth Kingdom? What is this "little horn"? What does it accomplish?

And the ten horns out of this kingdom [are] ten kings [that] shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. - Daniel 7:24

What more shall the "little horn" do?

And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. - Daniel 7:25

What have we learned so far in Daniel Chapter 7 (and from previous Chapters 1-6)?

1. 1st Beast/Kingdom: The Lion with Eagles Wings = Kingdom of Babylon (Daniel 2:37-38, 7:4)

2. 2nd Beast/Kingdom: The Bear w/3 Ribs in its mouth, Raised upon one side = Kingdom of Medo-Persia (Daniel 2:39, 5:25-31; 7:5; Jeremiah 50:9; itself having conquered Babylon, Egypt and Lydia)

3. 3rd Beast/Kingdom: Leopard with 4 Wings, then seen with 4 Heads = 3rd Kingdom (Daniel 2:39, 7:6) (we do not yet have a name for this Kingdom, but we will further in)

4. 4th Beast/Kingdom: Dreadful/Terrible Beast w/Great Iron Teeth = 4th Kingdom (Daniel 2:40, 7:7-8,19-20) (we do not yet have a name for this Kingdom, but we will further in)

5. Division of the Fourth Kingdom into Ten: Ten Horns of the Dreadful/Terrible Beast w/Great Iron Teeth = Ten Divisions of the 4th Kingdom (Daniel 2:41-43, 7:7-8,19-20,24)

6. New Development - 11th "little horn" arises among the 10 Horns and uproots Three (leaving Him "the 8th"; Daniel 7:8,20-24) and it has the "eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things." and who "would think to change times and laws" of God (Daniel 7:25) and makes "war with the saints and prevails against them" (Daniel 7:21 -- for a specific period of time, 1260 prophetic days/literal years, 42 prophetic months, etc Daniel 7:25, 12:7; Revelation 11:2-3, 12:6,14, 13:5) and this power would remain until the Ancient of Days came...(Daniel 7:22)

The Ancient of Days (God The Father) sits in Judgment and Books were opened (a looking into the Books and a Judgment of them therein takes place before the Second Coming, the Second Advent) (Daniel 7:9-11) Judgment is then given to the saints (Daniel 7:22) then...

7. And Afterward, the Everlasting Kingdom comes (Daniel 7:26-27)

σύνδουλόν · #19 24th February 2011, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by Heavens

The dream was absolutely certain. And absolutely has been fulfilling for 2000 years ago.

Which is EXACTLY how we can further verify that Jesus CAME as promised. The conditions were fulfilled When Christ came. Every one of them.
He has crushed the image of man and still is. He has been for growing as a Mountain (SION) for 2000 years now. He came in the "days of those kings" of clay/iron (Judah/Rome).

Only the blind will not see this and will "futurize" it for that very reason!

Open yur eyes folks!

Jesus Himself says the events were not complete even in His day upon this earth. He proclaims that the visions in Daniel were still in progress:

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand - Matthew 24:25

But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: Mark 13:14

Christ Jesus came on time as specified in Daniel 9:24. A very specific time prophecy (which was part of a much larger one in Daniel, the 70 weeks were part of the 2300 days, for they were "determined" from it, sectioned from it) was given there. For even He says,

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. - Mark 1:15

What "time" was fulfilled? Which part of the 70 weeks there?

Let us also consider these words:

For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. - Matthew 26:28

And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many. - Mark 14:24

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. - Daniel 9:27

"midst of the week" 3 1/2 years. The Apostles also preached for 3 1/2 years and then Stephen was rejected by those who sat in judgment. The 70 weeks thus ended there, but there were many days left in the prophecies to continue. Many scriptures which we may look at to corroborate this.

Jesus was born as a Man in the Fourth Kingdom of Iron. He died, was buried, resurrected and ascended before the Fourth Kingdom ever had the Ten Horns/Ten Toes. The "Little Horn" had not even arisen yet. Jesus instituted the Kingdom of Grace, but the other Kingdom is not yet here, we await it and His sooon coming. The resurrection of the Righteous and Wicked has not occurred, for this only happens at the "end of the world".

The Bible does not teach amillenniumism.

But we are far in advance of where we left off, let us go back a bit further still and continue from there still. Then we shall see the scriptures unfold before us, being interpreted by itself.

Senecharnix · #20 24th February 2011, 07:48 AM

Almighty's Humble Servant, thanks for sharing your revelation...From what I have learned about things, I seriously doubt that either the Antichrist or the False Prophet will come from America or any other part of the Western Hemisphere. According to what I have been shown, I believe the man who will become the Antichrist is residing in yugoslavia or one of its former provinces....