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Old 7th February 2011, 04:27 AM
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Todd White - Street Healer

Just been watching some stuff on him.

He said that it took 3 months of no one getting healed and 500 people before he saw his first "miracle" or "healing" (leg growing out).

Now he has lots...

a) Why is this (the time factor before this thing manifests)

b) Why are the miracles always low key..in the nicest sense. ie backs, legs, hands, shoulders etc.

BUT NEVER IT SEEMS AN AMPUTEE GETTING HIS HAND or ARM growing back ?

Just wondered...
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Old 7th February 2011, 05:00 AM
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Maybe the Lord wants him to go through more trials, before the "Big" stuff starts...
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Old 7th February 2011, 05:06 AM
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My personal theory is that miracles happen in conjunction with the accurate preaching of the Gospel. God uses them to back up the person doing the preaching. So for someone to pray for 500 people before a healing takes place, I'd look at what changed in the message around the time of the first healing.

Also there is an issue with being called to do the job, and the timing of fulfilling a ministry calling. I remember quite clearly a message I heard years ago on Premature Inheritance, and how many people try to take their training out into full time ministry before God is done preparing them.
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a) Why is this (the time factor before this thing manifests)
To build persistence?
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My personal theory is that miracles happen in conjunction with the accurate preaching of the Gospel. God uses them to back up the person doing the preaching. So for someone to pray for 500 people before a healing takes place, I'd look at what changed in the message around the time of the first healing.

Also there is an issue with being called to do the job, and the timing of fulfilling a ministry calling. I remember quite clearly a message I heard years ago on Premature Inheritance, and how many people try to take their training out into full time ministry before God is done preparing them.
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although he does this BEFORE any message is given. He gets them to recieve the Lord AFTER in most cases.

He just says beforehand, "Jesus can heal you" and off he goes.

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First of all, there ARE amputees getting their arms and legs back, it happens pretty frequently actually. You just don't see them in the States so much because it is a bit harder to believe for something like that to happen, than for pain you can't see to go away. People all around the world are getting whole new body parts, new lungs, hearts, even brains. So, thinking that it is just low key stuff, that's just from a lack of field experience.

Second, there are three reasons why healing can take time. First it could be that when a person first starts trying to get people healed, they don't really understand how healing works, and it takes time to learn so it can happen.
Second, the law of sowing and reaping is very valid today and not just with finances unlike what some people may have you believe. It is the same with healing, if you sow healing through prayers, eventually you will start to reap healing through the manifestation of it. It takes a bit of time to grow.
Third, the other reason could be a situation like Daniel's fast. He decided to seek God, and the Bible says that the answer didn't show up for 21 days because there were demonic forces holding back the answer. Many times you can pray for someone to get healed, and the devil resists, and tries to delay it. It turns into a staring contest so to speak, the problem is that in North America you guys live in a microwave society and want everything instantly and don't want to be patient, you definitely don't want to wait 21 days or a month or more for something to happen. SO, you back down and give up deciding that it wasn't the will of God for that person to be healed, when in fact it ALWAYS is the will of God for healing, but there is spiritual warfare involved and if you stay firm it will absolutely happen.

So that's why. There could be other factors like sin in the life of the person praying and so on, but in the end, those are the basics.

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First of all, there ARE amputees getting their arms and legs back, it happens pretty frequently actually. You just don't see them in the States so much because it is a bit harder to believe for something like that to happen, than for pain you can't see to go away. People all around the world are getting whole new body parts, new lungs, hearts, even brains. So, thinking that it is just low key stuff, that's just from a lack of field experience.

Second, there are three reasons why healing can take time. First it could be that when a person first starts trying to get people healed, they don't really understand how healing works, and it takes time to learn so it can happen.
Second, the law of sowing and reaping is very valid today and not just with finances unlike what some people may have you believe. It is the same with healing, if you sow healing through prayers, eventually you will start to reap healing through the manifestation of it. It takes a bit of time to grow.
Third, the other reason could be a situation like Daniel's fast. He decided to seek God, and the Bible says that the answer didn't show up for 21 days because there were demonic forces holding back the answer. Many times you can pray for someone to get healed, and the devil resists, and tries to delay it. It turns into a staring contest so to speak, the problem is that in North America you guys live in a microwave society and want everything instantly and don't want to be patient, you definitely don't want to wait 21 days or a month or more for something to happen. SO, you back down and give up deciding that it wasn't the will of God for that person to be healed, when in fact it ALWAYS is the will of God for healing, but there is spiritual warfare involved and if you stay firm it will absolutely happen.

So that's why. There could be other factors like sin in the life of the person praying and so on, but in the end, those are the basics.

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Well said Alan - you seem to know what your talking about.

(probably from experience).

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do email me jrbedding7@yahoo.com

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healing has to do with the trust toward God and your mercy toward others .

both of these things need to grow . praying for people enmasse like that would definitely develop that kind of compassion and faith .
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There will come times when everyone ceases to respond to your words . and other times when you will walk by people and it will be as though you are a ghost .. as if you have already left the land of the living .. now is a great time to pray, God listens .. this is what the name of Ishmael means, God listens. So Pray. The main difference in these times is .. you are still alive .. and in your invisibility .. your prayers can change everything.


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appreciated.

although he does this BEFORE any message is given. He gets them to recieve the Lord AFTER in most cases.

He just says beforehand, "Jesus can heal you" and off he goes.


I don't really see this as a factor. I can't see it making any difference whether you preach before hand or after, God knows you and the intent of your heart and what message you are prepared to give. Signs and Wonders accompany the preaching of the Gospel. Our problem is not knowing what the Gospel is, and how to present it in a way that encourages God to take action.


JMHO, and YMMV.
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Peter told the man at the temple gate in to walk in the name of the Lord, and he was healed, and then he preached the Gospel. It works both ways. Miracles can come before or after.

I wonder if the reason he prayed for so many people first had to do with being faithful. One might imagine the Lord saw He was faithful to pray and then started healing. Faithful with little, then entrusted with much.

I found I started getting words of knowledge when I spent a lot of time praying with people. When I got out of a situation where I was doing that, I didn't get them so much. Gifts are for ministering to others. If we are ministering to others, it should be a surprise if the Lord starts using us in the gifts.

It reminds me of the parable about the servants who come in, serve their master, and then they may eat. Their attitude is 'we are unprofitable servants. We have only done as we are supposed to do.' This was given in response to the disciples wanting their faith increased.
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